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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by davethebear
HAHA! I concur! Those are some real words of wisdom, you wrote down there!
Originally posted by windword
Right off the bat, this God of the Bible has adversaries. In fact, one third of the population of heaven rebelled against this God. Why, we wonder. It was because of us. God loved us more than he loved those angels, and they got mad. What did he do? He gave the leader of this rebellion dominion over the earth, where he put Adam and Eve!
He created them. male and female, 2 fully developed humans. They never learned to stand or to fall down, never felt a mother's unconditional love or got a hug or a spanking. Then this God leaves them alone, while he goes off, who knows where, and leaves the devil to babysit.
Hey, a snake is a snake, everybody knows that. But God is surprised that Adam and Eve were seduced by the very guy who led one third of God's heavenly population into rebellion! So what does God do? He throws them out of the garden and curses the woman to sorrow in childbirth.
Then he continues to allow these rebellious "fallen angels" to rape the daughters of Eve, and bring forth monsters to torture the sons of Adam! Then he sends a flood and kills almost everyone.
Then fast forward to Moses, who got into trouble for killing an Egyptian soldier, and had to flee from Egypt. He sees a burning bush and hears a voice that tells him to do stuff, and he calls this voice God. He tells us that this God has rules for us to follow.
These rules are flawed from the get go! Of course the first rule is not to question God and we are ordered to obey, love and respect this God. Oh yeah, the law says not to kill too. I guess it was important to emphasize that since Moses was a murderer. And we are also told, in these ten commandments, that women are property, the same value as man's donkey, or ass, as the Bible says.
Then this supposedly loving God sends his son to be murdered by an angry mob, to cleanse our "sins" because he loves us so much! Only if we believe the story, are we saved from his own wrath. Then, we are promised the 2nd destruction of the world, by the return of a vengeful God, who is to separate the good people from the bad, who are doomed.
Yep, that's one "loving" God, huh? Thanks for allowing me to rant, guys!
edit on 9-8-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)
Well, at least good ole' Yahweh wasn't boring right? Who'd want to read the book if it was boring?
Hey winword, this would be another misrepresentation of the bible. And it is kind of funny. Guess what we are the sons and we are taking the daughters of men as wives, and sometimes our kids are extraordinary. Back in the day they called these extraordinary kids Nephalim, we call them Genius or Child prodigies.
The only thing in creation that was called sons of God is us. Understand the bible only refers to Jesus and us as sons of God. So if he says sons of God he must be speaking about us. This really should not need to be debated.
Take a look at Deuteronomy 32:8-9 (King James Version):
"When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations, When He separated the sons of Adam, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. For the LORD’s portion is His people; Jacob is the place of His inheritance."
This is based on the traditional Hebrew text, otherwise known as the Masoretic text (MT). Now look at a much older version of this text that was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and matches the Greek Septuagint text:
"When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance." What on earth is going on here?
The older text clearly shows that El Elyon is the father of all the gods, and Yahweh is simply one of his sons. El Elyon divides up the various nations and allocates a portion to Yahweh. The later version of the text simply merged these two gods into a single being.
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sacgamer25
Your logical processes are fallacious in the sense that you place too much trust in the men whose hands are responsible for the condition and contents of the Bible. You can babble on and on about how "God" inspired the creation of the Bible, but in the end, it was men who organized, revised, reviewed, redacted, reworked, and resold it. In the end, not a single hand in the publishing process was anything other than mortal - and with that, comes susceptibility. In a world where physical stimuli are so much more rewarding, and where death is a very real threat, it's asinine to think that those men might not be influenced one way or another by officials who recognized the potential in such a pervasive tool.
The Book of Eli very clearly exemplifies this. The man who holds the word of god is the man who controls the minds of the world. Your life will have meaning in the midst of all this chaos, if you just trust in what I have to say. Why should you trust me? Well, I speak for this deity. And trust me when I say that you don't want to screw with this deity.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sacgamer25
We are the very powers we worship.
Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by windword
Well, at least good ole' Yahweh wasn't boring right? Who'd want to read the book if it was boring?
I'm not religious, nor tied up into one set of beliefs and I consider myself open spiritually. But it doesn't make me upset or angry when others have different belief sets from mine, it will always be that way. Always has and always will. We are creatures of habit, to believe anyone can change deeply held religious beliefs for someone else, is already fighting a losing battle. We only change those things for ourselves, and it is usually a cataclysmic or life-changing event that causes the change.
Anyone who does not believe in love is condemned already. Because they have not believed in the love that comes from LOVE.
No one can come to the Love except through love.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sacgamer25
Anyone who does not believe in love is condemned already. Because they have not believed in the love that comes from LOVE.
No one can come to the Love except through love.
Whoa, hold on there. You people make love sound like it's an absolute thing. It's not. Love means something different to everyone. Should we be condemned because we see love differently? Do we have to see it the same way the Bible describes it? I don't see why anyone should be damned for loving differently than "God" does.