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Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by TinfoilTP
So, can you prove that it's slander, or do you just not care that they are paying money to convince politicians that killing homosexuals is okay?
Originally posted by rainbowbear
reply to post by gncnew
lol im sure Chick-fil-a considers this minority "acceptable losses" in corporate boycott terms.
but think of all the busywork that can be created and funded thru NGOs and such to get the 98% of the rest of the country to jump on the group think boycott bandwagon.
Originally posted by gncnew
Originally posted by Annee
If Equal Rights is an agenda. Currently - - Equal Right of Legal Government Marriage.
Count me in 100%.
Be alert to anti-gay hate groups trying to claim they are victims.
Chick-fil-A makes chicken sandwiches... they're not quite the "hate group" you're attempting to confer upon them.
Originally posted by kurthall
As a gay man, I for one feel it is unfair to put us all in one category. I think the whole Kiss In thing was stupid, and did NOTHING but make gay people look stupid. I also don't agree that we are all hypocritical in our agenda. I am so freaking sick of this whole issue. The way I see Chick-fil_A is they don't support gays and therefor I will not support them. Plain and simple. I do think that too many people think that the whole anti-gay marriage thing is the only thing that Chick-fil-A has done that against us, but that's not the case. They have refused service in West Hollywood, and would not cater an event in that was held by the GLBT, they also fund anti-gay groups as well. You know what though this is America, and if that's what they want to do so be it. I will just boycott them and that is it. For me case closed. I am sick of hearing SOME of the LGBT whining about this crap though. I wish they would just shut up and leave it alone!!!!
Rosa Parks was not the only black protestor during the civil rights movement
The thing is, the squeaky wheel gets the oil, and sometimes you gotta make some unpleasant noise to get something done.
Please don't tell me you are stereotyping ALL gays as having green mohawks and pink tutus. You don't know very many gays, I guess.
I've seen some pretty "abnormal" looking straight people too.
Originally posted by okyouwin
One of the parts of the owners interview. that was overlooked, and I think a big part of his statement. was his emphasis on the fact that his and other family members marriage was their first. This seemed to me to a bigger slam on divorce than gay marriage. Just what I saw. And I wonder how come it didn't get no play?
Originally posted by TheRedneck
No, I am giving an example based on the number of "gay pride" events I have seen, mainly on TV.
I do not know how many "gay friends" I have... can you possibly be more degrading to another human being? Should people begin choosing friends based on sexual preference? Why is that the single most important aspect of a person to you, so much that you categorize your friends into "gay" and "straight" categories?
I know of a couple of people I call friend who are gay. One of them tends to "flame" a bit, but I put up with it as long as I can before telling him to chill out. The others one would never know unless they told. It has nothing at all to do with the friendship; it has everything to do with we enjoy each others company and have common interests.
Now, let me ask you a question: put yourself in the shoes of someone who is not gay and does not have any known gay friends... the vast majority of those he sees are the hairy dude in the tutu. How do you expect anyone gay to be taken as anywhere near normal after that? Every time it happens, all these fools are doing by parading up and down the street in cross-dressed underwear is showing how different they are, not the commonality they have with all other humans!
But, I suppose that's the bigot coming out in me.
Look, it's obvious you are not going to get the message; no one in this debate will. You cannot legislate opinion. You cannot legislate beliefs. You cannot legislate acceptance. All you can legislate are activities. But even then, when you go too far too fast, those beliefs and opinions will fight against you... and you cannot imagine the true horror that can occur when a particular group becomes the perceived cause of injustice among the masses. That is what leads to armed rebellion and widespread violence. Our laws, as imperfect as they may be at times, have kept this from happening until now, but when those laws are used to brow-beat and intimidate rather than serve justice...
...well ... I'm just glad I am hiding and watching. Enjoy your revolution and let me know when the insane of the planet have destroyed each other. I will have a lot to do rebuilding what people like you have destroyed.
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
A lot of this conversation has centered over the issue of gay rights. Gays have the same rights non-gays do, as far as I know. They can get married in every state, just not necessarily to people of the same gender.
To put it another way, we are NOT dealing with an equal rights problem here, unlike laws discriminating by race. (To my knowledge, there are no current laws that discriminate against gays, unlike segregation-type laws.) Rather, proponents of homosexual marriage are either attempting to (and in some states have succeeded) (A) manufacture the "right" of gay marriage, or (B) make everyone else recognize their inherent right to marry someone of the same gender. Some people will say A, and some will say B, but does anyone disagree with my basic premise?
I suppose the other way to look at this is that (C) gays don't have the right to marry the person they love, which assumes everyone else has that right. Anyone opt for C?
Originally posted by grahag
You're being purposely obtuse. They can't marry who they want.The "right" is a human right to live your life and be happy as long as you don't infringe on others' rights to the same happiness.
Is disingenuous for people to say that gays have the same rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex. That's an answer that trolls use. To prove it, all you have to do is switch it around. If gays had the rights to marry the same sex and you didn't, would that be against your civil right? If the answer is yes, then it's a civil rights issue and should be treated as such.
It's not hypocritical of the LGBT community to want this because it doesn't DENY the rights of others to have it. The LGBT community is INCLUSIVE. Chik Fil A's stance is EXCLUSIVE. They want to deny the LGBT community the right of marriage to who they want.
It's not about opinions either. If you don't like anyone in the LGBT community, the vast vast majority would say that's totally fine... You'd be hard pressed to find someone who cares that you don't like them or their attraction. But when you actively campaign against LGBT issues such as same sex marriage, you're going past opinion into ACTION, where you'll be fought tooth and nail because you have NO right to prevent them from their pursuit of happiness.