Originally posted by Trueman
Originally posted by mkmasn
Having a relationship with God is not being passive, you're right. But submitting to His will when He gave you free will IS being passive.
Sorry, I don't want to die. Even if it's God's "plan." There is nothing empowering about a plan you know nothing about playing out with you as the
actor not knowing the script.
Submitting to His will is right, if you believe in God then you have to trust in Him too.
God doesn't want you to die, that's not God's plan, I wonder where did you hear that.
Which God are you referring to?
It is God's plan that you die, otherwise, people wouldn't die...
If we are talking about the omnipotent Christian God, then it is definitely His plan that very many people die. 2 Corinthians 4:4 states Satan is the
"god of this world," which could only happen if God granted him that power. "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
*Edit: This doesn't even take into account that the all powerful God would create an evil being and allow him to do His most beloved creations harm,
knowing full well it was going to happen.
The simple fact is, if you believe in one God, you must accept that He/She/It is both good and evil. How do you know which will you are submitting
yourself to? The earlier books of the Jewish bible understood this. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord
do all these things." Isiah 45:7
Islam understands this as well. "If any good reaches them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but if any evil befalls them, they say, “This
happened because of you.” Say: “All things are from Allah.” What is wrong with these people that they do not understand any word?" An-Nisa'
If you believe in multiple Gods, there are Gods of birth, harvest, light, darkness, life, death.
If you believe in no God, you understand there can be no good without evil.
Let's assume there is a higher power, which created the universe. There are three possibilities:
1) He/She/It has their hand in all things. At some point, when the SHTF, it will be their doing, directly.
2) He/She/It has since moved on, or is just watching to see what happens. They will do nothing to help.
3) He/She/It is dead. They will do nothing to help.
Either way, I choose to live. If God knows all, he knows I like living, regardless of the situation, and would tailor his plan around
edit on 4-8-2012 by mkmasn because: (no reason given)