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Teen lifeguard gets $2,600 bill for saving drowning boy's life

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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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That the government even allows loop holes like that in its programs is beyond evil. And it has a made in the US stamp! The programs need to be written logically, compassionately and equally to all.




posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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A headache can be a sign swallowed salt water, if he swallowed water he did the right thing by going to the hospital, Secondary drowning or dry drowning can sometimes happen hours later.

This kid is a hero and did the right thing.

And they say America is the number one country. Next time though just let the person in need of help just die. But wait i bet one would be charged for that as well.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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I don't understand how you get charged $1900 for a freaking ambulance ride. I've had to call EMTs twice for friends and there bills for about 5-10 minute rides were also over $1,000. WTF are we paying taxes for? You don't get charged when you call the cops, why should you for an ambulance ride, and why such a ludicrous price?



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Actually, you don't pay taxes for ambulances.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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so many people say us brits have issues,least we don,t charge people for saving lifes,nhs....we LOVE u.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Around here you have a better chance of survival if you call a taxi than an ambulance.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by sparky31
so many people say us brits have issues,least we don,t charge people for saving lifes,nhs....we LOVE u.


We luve you roo. Tanks fa poestin.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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That surprises me. We pay for the Fire Dept. I thought they were part of it, excluding private ambulances. Either way that seems like an exorbitant amount of cash for a quick little ride. I get that there are a few well trained people manning the thing, there are up keep costs, costs for equipment etc. but $1900? Ouch.


For example, in Lima, OH, taxes pay for any ambulance services not covered by insurance, so residents do not receive a bill.


So does it just depend on the city?

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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by TsukiLunar
 


That surprises me. We pay for the Fire Dept. I thought they were part of it, excluding private ambulances. Either way that seems like an exorbitant amount of cash for a quick little ride. I get that there are a few well trained people manning the thing, there are up keep costs, costs for equipment etc. but $1900? Ouch.


For example, in Lima, OH, taxes pay for any ambulance services not covered by insurance, so residents do not receive a bill.


So does it just depend on the city?

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Where I live EMT services are covered under your utility bill as long as you pay a monthly charge. I am not sure of the exact details though.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
I don't understand how you get charged $1900 for a freaking ambulance ride. I've had to call EMTs twice for friends and there bills for about 5-10 minute rides were also over $1,000. WTF are we paying taxes for? You don't get charged when you call the cops, why should you for an ambulance ride, and why such a ludicrous price?



I fell off someone's deck into a cement stairwell about twelve feet below, it sucked, a lot. When I came to the owner of the house had already called for an ambulance. Long story short I refused to let them take me anywhere because of the charge, $700 minimum is how I understand it, yeah right. Unless my guts are hanging out I don't even want to look at an ambulance.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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The Bellevue City Council decided Monday to begin charging residents for non-emergency ambulance transportation. The move was part of a slate of decisions on the part of the council and city staff to close a $6.5 million budget gap. The move is projected to generate $1.1 million annually for the city. Users of the non-emergency ambulances would pay a $600 flat fee, as well $12 to $14 a mile. Bellevue was one of the last holdouts in the county in free non-emergency ambulance rides. Still, Councilmembers Grant Degginger and John Chelminiak did not see these fees as an answer to the city's budget problems. "This is a service that we are going to provide whether we do this or not," said Degginger. "It amounts to charging people twice for the same service."


I guess it varies a lot. Glad I live in Bellevue.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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Why did this guys parents not have healthcare for their kid

Bad parenting is what caused this.


Bad parents? They raised a 17-yr old hero who risked his own life to save another.

If you're claiming they're bad parents because they lack health insurance - then say hello to the health care debate. A large number of Americans are in the same boat. Health insurance has been priced beyond what most people can afford.



It used to be the only gold in the health care system was in teeth. Now it's in everything. And Bain's earnings go to the Cayman Islands, while my neighbor goes to Mexico to save on dental work.


Quoted for truth. And if the guy who once ran Bain has his way this November, all the middle-income people and lower can just keep going to Mexico for dental work or health care, especially since that will be where all the former American jobs will be.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Yea that doesn't sound like a lot of fun.

Those costs seem ridiculous to me. I suppose they can probably break down the costs and rationalize it but still... Crazy.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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Yea that doesn't sound like a lot of fun.

Those costs seem ridiculous to me. I suppose they can probably break down the costs and rationalize it but still... Crazy.


The cost is ridiculous. End of story.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Some of the most judgmental words I have read lately on here. Not everyone can afford insurance, unfortunately. Most people I know have good jobs and can not. My own parents work their rear ends off and have tried to be able and keep insurance many times and they usually end up having to let it go some where down the road.. Usually a choice of feeding grand kids they have custody of atm, mortgage, car payment, food, bills, etc. So guess what? They, like most people I know, will choose to buy some food, pay their house mortgage and so on..

Extremely limited view you have there it seems...



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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If only stories like this would make the headlines of every newspaper and television news show - and be utilised to improve the health system.

Just like the so called massacre events with guns and bombs and so forth - then suddenly the story is a case of saturation level of media coverage and the 'issue' of taking guns and knives off the public is pumped into everyones head.

This young lad did the right thing - regardless of the circumstances. He saved the life of a fellow human being who was in trouble. He did what he is trained to do. Why can't his story reach the saturation level that the violent stories get and pave the way for a decent health system and while you are at it - a decent approach to living together in harmony - on this beautiful planet!!!!!

Much Peace...to all the people who do what is right and suffer as a consequence...keep going and be the beacon of light you are even moreso...



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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I think you've completely missed the point. Nobody is saying that he should get a free ambulance ride for being a hero, we're saying he should get a free ambulance ride because he's a human being. Healthcare should be for everyone, regardless of what they've done or how much they can pay.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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The USA sucks. Land of the indebted if you get sick. Even if you have insurance, half of the time they do not pay for it all.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by TKDRL
What the hell....... For profit medical industry sucks major donkey nuts.

Lets say 10 grand per ride, that means 5,500,000,000 bucks a year made for helicoptor medical evacs.

You obviously have no idea what the overhead is on running such a service.
You have the pay for a highly specialized helicopter, which has to be constantly serviced, inspected, fueled, and hangered.

Take a look at the rates for helicopter rentals (chosen at random): Paradigm Helicopters

Price per hour on renting an aircraft is by engine hour, not by driving hour. That means that it starts the minute the engine starts, and does not stop until its shut off (hold time, taxi time, pilots checklist time, etc. are all while the engines are clocking hours). This is because aircraft engines have to be overhauled every so many hours at various levels. So for example, on the planes I used to fly, the engines had to go through a basic overhaul every 500 engine hours. The more complex the aircraft, and its engines, the more expensive the operating costs. Emergency aircraft are some of the most complex aircraft, with the strictest rule requirements.

This is not like your car that gets a $30 oil change every 20K miles and a fill-up once a week.

 

Too everyone else griping about the medical field.
Not to diminish what this guy did, but lets be fair here...
He went to the hospital and got admitted as a patient, after doing something on his own time, which was not covered under his work insurance. Hospitals are not charity organizations, they are businesses, they operate on funding without which they would not exist.

City/County/State fire department ambulances charge money because there are actually folks who will call on them to drive them to doctors appointments, or to go shopping, like they are a taxi service (Yes! This happens a LOT, I get FD guys at work bitching about it all the time). Private ambulance companies have overhead to operate, and cannot remain in business if they do not make a profit.

Medical people expect a paycheck, the same as every other profession on the planet. Just because there is a sad story behind why a person is in the hospital, does not mean that they will not be charged money for the cost of their services. Every person in the hospital has a tale of woe, if they didn't charge all of them money for their services, they would cease to exist. Hospitals and Doctors offices have HUGE amounts of operational overhead, and the government adds more overhead each year with less money paid out for service.

Its the only industry on the planet, which the government feels it has to right to preform price fixing on, while heaping on huge amounts of regulations. The government certainly does not go to an Auto Manufacturer, tell them they have to give you a vehicle that costs $100,000 to produce, for $18,000, now do they? Outside of certain specialists and physicians, most highly educated/registered/certified medical people make on average less per hour then most electricians, plumbers, auto workers, etc...


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Doctors are for profit. People become doctors for all the kickbacks, so they can drive fancy cars, and live in a mansion. You know how doctors always like to order all kinds of tests, just in case? Well, that is because they get kickbacks for referrals. Dead doctors don't lie.




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