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Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by MrXYZ
What do you mean zero, don't you believe that every species is going to have proper food to eat?
11 pages about a made up word that has ZERO scientific significance...wow
And your making an uneducated assumption that there couldn't possibly be other planets with simular conditions?
1) Our entire respiratory system is geared towards specific conditions on earth.
Another strawman argument, are you assuming we are the ONLY planet with gravity, I'm sure most if not all of them have gravity.
2) Our entire bodies are geared towards the specific gravity on earth.
That would be the most incorrect statement I have seen so far today. The fact is, your not able to produce a single example of food that is proven to be naturally for human consumption. Our requirements are so much NOT here that we have things like diets, diet study, dieticians, super supplement stores, food related sickness and disease, desperation to the point that we even ventured out to make processed food, granted some of that is for money but not all of it.
3) Our entire nutritional requirements are based on things on earth.
Well carbon dating isn't worthy to determine evolution so I would like to know what false ability of tracing you are using.
4) We can trace back human evolution...so we KNOW we have ancestors on earth.
First off the bible plainly tells us that we aren't from earth, and thats a pretty good clue to at least consider the possibility. Oh wait, you don't consider the bible to be of any value. Well I don't know what to tell you, you shut off your learning abilitys so there you go. The bible is a historical document with tons of valuable information, its also the largest selling book on the planet.
5) NOTHING suggest we aren't from earth...not a shred of objective evidence.
Well your reading the wrong book for a history lesson for sure. HIstory isn't completly found in TODAYS biology dum dum, its found in a historical document, like the bible for example. And the only thing that biology is going to agree with in terms of evolution is the fact that there is change. Which I have allready explained some of those possible examples being from ADHD.
In short, stop talking out of your ass and educate yourself. For once open a biology book or at least read the basic evolution Wiki article.
Your the one that refuses to study your history, but I'm the ignorant one?
This entire discussion is so ridiculous. It's basically one guy parading his lack of education and giant amount of ignorance...sad...really really sad.
Proper is a loaded word, because it depends on what YOUR definition of the word is and what part of the subject your applying it to. If your just looking for food, any food, and not even necessarly food that is good for you, I would hardly call that proper. However in your eyes you might still be looking at it from the angle that having some food is better than nothing at all. Again I use the example that humans can actually eat toilet paper, but that doesn't mean it was food that was meant for us. Now your body will digest it, and if you eat enough of it, it will actually fill you up, but again that doesn't mean it was food that was intended for us.
Every single species has proper food
Adaptation is a form of desperation brought on by something going very wrong. Granted its the only thing that has kept us alive, but I asure you we are paying for it through the quality of life. In over all terms, what this all comes down to is this planet was not meant for humans. Everything we do is adapt the planet to accept us. To the point that its now destroying the planet. We don't belong here.
unless it doesn't adapt to the constantly changing environment quickly enough. So yeah, if some kind of bee requires a certain flower and humans kill off that flower...yeah, that bee will die unless it can draw back on alternatives and adapt.
It's true, Now anyhow, your seeing the aftermath.
Adapt or die, it's as "simple" as that.
Of course big silly, otherwise they would be dead. Seriously dude, your the only bat crazy snake oil salesmen here. You refuse to pick up a book and brush up on the history of our existence, and as a result you have settled for a made up series of theorys known as evolution.
But again: EVERYTHING alive on this planet has food, including us!! Target food doesn't exist, it's just a bat# crazy uneducated word you made up make your insane idea "fit". Wake up dude, open a book and start to learn something instead of falling for snake oil salesmen like Pye & Co
And your making an uneducated assumption that there couldn't possibly be other planets with simular conditions?
Another strawman argument, are you assuming we are the ONLY planet with gravity, I'm sure most if not all of them have gravity.
That would be the most incorrect statement I have seen so far today. The fact is, your not able to produce a single example of food that is proven to be naturally for human consumption. Our requirements are so much NOT here that we have things like diets, diet study, dieticians, super supplement stores, food related sickness and disease, desperation to the point that we even ventured out to make processed food, granted some of that is for money but not all of it.
Well carbon dating isn't worthy to determine evolution so I would like to know what false ability of tracing you are using.
The fact is that we can only infer that ratio for the past 5,000 years or so using historical records.
If your referring to fossils that prove evolution, that is false as well. The only thing that connects us to any fossils is DNA and once again design can prove relation. You will have to first prove creation possibilitys wrong before you can make that assumption.
First off the bible plainly tells us that we aren't from earth, and thats a pretty good clue to at least consider the possibility. Oh wait, you don't consider the bible to be of any value. Well I don't know what to tell you, you shut off your learning abilitys so there you go. The bible is a historical document with tons of valuable information, its also the largest selling book on the planet.
First off your making the assumption that there couldn't be an even better planet for us, which is false, and your also making the assumption that there couldn't be other planets with simular athmosphers.
And your making an uneducated assumption that there couldn't possibly be other planets with simular conditions?
Of course I can make that assumption. Why? Because if our air composition would be slightly different, so would our lungs. Hell, we see that even on earth in various habitats.
It's a good subject to consider when your think we might not be from here, but I have never heard of any studies that tie our biology to this planet without a doubt. As an example I know that a femer can hold 600 lbs before it snaps, but we don't typically weigh that much so you could be wrong.
Another strawman argument, are you assuming we are the ONLY planet with gravity, I'm sure most if not all of them have gravity.
I'm not talking about having gravity in general. I'm talking about the STRENGTH of the force. If that strength were different, so would our bodies. A bit stronger, and we would require stronger, thicker bones. Weaker gravity would mean our bone density wouldn't be as high.
Debunked, WTH, evolution can't even prove we are from this planet, even if we did evolve, which we don't.
Talking out of your ass again simply repeating nonsense that has been debunked dozens of times
I wasn't aware that any of the food your listing here, are necessary, and yeild a whopping about of nutrients. I think your confusing the title of target food with just having food that we could eat.
Food: apples, nuts, rice, corn, meat, *insert random fruit*...for crying out loud, go to the supermarket dude.
Your such a moron, and while your out searching for where you might be able to find your needed vitamin C genius, somewhere else, our species is alive and well, and packed with vitamin C but they never had to search for it, or even think about it. Now do you get it? What am I saying, probably not.
Everything our body needs (Vitamin C, proteins, ...) can be found on earth!
And we have struggled and paid the price through adaptation and the missing quality of life.
For crying out loud, YOU ARE ALIVE!!! Our entire species has survived for over 200k years on food from earth!!!
Well I don't have to go there, I have google. And according to google, your wrong, mongolians have diets.
The vast majority on this planet doesn't even have the stuff you lise...go to friggin' Mongolia and ask someone about diets, or "supplement stores". I dare you, do it! And how on earth are diseases proof against evolution? We can explain them rationally.
It depends on how old the item is that your dating. C-14 is able to give is the oldest results, so if your looking at something up to 50k years, its the best choice.
And your source for that opinion comes from a site called "sciencagainstevolution.com". ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Have you ever heard about objective sources? Do you even understand what objectivity means?
First of all, they are talking about Carbon 14 dating as if this was somehow the only radiometric dating method used in evolution. Guess what, there are TONS of different radiometric dating methods...and they even confirm each other.
So what your telling
This statement for example is completely irrelevant since carbon 14 dating wouldn't be used for anything that's too old to be examined using that method.
They are essentially saying the same as "you can't jump over the grand canyon because your legs are too short...ergo you can't jump at all". IT'S NONSENSE!!!
By the way, just to show you how incredibly biased that website is, and what a JOKE its content is:
If you do a whois search to find out who registered the website, and who pays for it, you will get this: LINK
At the bottom of that page you'll find who's paying for it. The email is registered at KRSF.net, a CHRISTIAN RADIO STATION!!!
So please, spare us with your crappy biased website from which you get your uninformed opinions. It's not as if people haven't posted properly sourced material for you here, you just chose to ignore it in favor of PROVEN garbage websites like scienceagainstevolution.info.
Here's the link to that radio station, you might actually like dishonest crap like that: Garbage
So what your telling me is that C-14 offers the oldest dating, and since most of the interest in evolution goes beyond that, you have no sure proof way of testing it, using todays science methods. What a pitty. Sort of remindes me how I was explaining to you that the bible is a supernatural book and you have to recreate the supernatural elements to do an honest assesment, which can't be done. So you just ruled out the bible anyhow. I think I should do the same and just rule out evolution because your in the same boat.
This statement for example is completely irrelevant since carbon 14 dating wouldn't be used for anything that's too old to be examined using that method.
They are essentially saying the same as "you can't jump over the grand canyon because your legs are too short...ergo you can't jump at all". IT'S NONSENSE!!!
By the way, just to show you how incredibly biased that website is, and what a JOKE its content is:
If you do a whois search to find out who registered the website, and who pays for it, you will get this: LINK
At the bottom of that page you'll find who's paying for it. The email is registered at KRSF.net, a CHRISTIAN RADIO STATION!!!
So please, spare us with your crappy biased website from which you get your uninformed opinions. It's not as if people haven't posted properly sourced material for you here, you just chose to ignore it in favor of PROVEN garbage websites like scienceagainstevolution.info.
Here's the link to that radio station, you might actually like dishonest crap like that: Garbage
myDNA would be hugh if we did actually evolve, and we would know precisly how old we are as well. The fact is that the article on mtDNA dilliberatly omits our true age. Not because they don't know, I know they know. They are stateing that they have mapped out the entire genome. It's because our mtDNA is indicating that we are older than earth, and they would look stupid if they published that. Now its an assumption that I have no proof on, but it is sort of backed up by the fact that after them mention the fact that religion is obviously out the window, which adds more credibiilty to evolution, they turn around and indicate that we need to look to more pioneering ways to find out about our true origon.
If your referring to fossils that prove evolution, that is false as well. The only thing that connects us to any fossils is DNA and once again design can prove relation. You will have to first prove creation possibilitys wrong before you can make that assumption.
Again, evolution makes no claim regarding how life started....and that relation very well proves common descent...especially since DNA fully backs it up too. The hilarious part is, we can even see it in real time as we breed dogs for example. But whatever, let's just ignore facts, right?
That sounds like a very primative excuse to not accept any of it, If I didn't know any better. The fact is the bible is chalked full of good information. Whats funny is you don't see anyting in there about or relating to evolution. Maybe thats a clue.
Again, the bible isn't OBJECTIVE evidence. The only thing the bible tells you is what people back then believed based on their compared to today limited knowledge.
It depends on how old the item is that your dating. C-14 is able to give is the oldest results, so if your looking at something up to 50k years, its the best choice.
Now its an assumption that I have no proof on, but it is sort of backed up by the fact ...
Originally posted by itsthetooth
You know barc if you honestly think your correct, and you truely believe that we belong on earth, maybe you can produce some obvous things that prove we have a connection with the planet. Not that its the best example but I like to once again go over to the anteater. He has special hearing to hear the ants, special nose to smell the ants, special claws to claw the ant hills, and a spceial tounge to grab ants from the deep.
Try to put humans in that same frame of mind, and produce some things that prove we are from earth. Can you come up with anything?
Also please don't forget to respond to my points about gaining all nutrients from a healthy natural diet, which people do all over the world, debunking the notion of "target" food. Also please don't forget to list a primate that gets all its nutrients from a single food source. If you can't justify / counter these 2 points, your entire premise is invalid.
Nope I pulled it off a different website. I'm not aware of anything that can carbon date over 50,000 years, so if you know something, now is the time to speak up.
I was about to ask "where the hell do you get crap like that?" before realising you are merely repeating what you read on that proven garbage Christian website scienceagainstevolution.info. FYI, C14 isn't the one giving you the oldest results
Actually I'm holding my breath to see if you going to back it up with any proof.
And that's exactly what I mean when I say you don't know what you're talking about. You come here and make demonstrably false statements...and when people point it out you simply ignore that. Ridiculous
Your the only one hear dealing in snake oil, mr so incredulous you ignore the most important historical book there is.
Everything you just typed above is simply you rehashing the garbage you read on websites that are PROVEN liars and biased nonsense. For crying out loud, look up the word "objectivity", go to your library (or use google), and get yourself a decent information source that isn't the pinnacle of snake-oils-manship
Can you come up with a better answer why they aren't telling us how old the mtDNA says we are while the whole time they are admitting they have mapped out the entire genome?
And that pretty much sums up the "tooth logic". No proof...but somehow it ends up being fact anyway
Actually I didn't use there site the second time, I used this one....
By the way, looooove how you simply ignore that the source you posted is biased garbage, and instead you simply continue to repeat their nonsense. Like a god damn brainwashed sheep
Now I think oxygen and water are just sort of a given, and there are probably many planets that could sustain life as we knowit. However your making the bold assumption that because, humans just like other primates eat plants and meat. LOL what else is there for us to eat? You have to remember that we are going to eat what ever we can because thats all thats available.
We have more in common than not with all other primates. I mean let's see, we breathe oxygen, drink water, and eat plants and meat, all of which exist here on earth.
Which is the lamest assumption that proves we must be related therefore we must have evolved. Nevermind the possibility that a creator simply kept growing on his creations and making new life from old DNA.
We have very similar DNA to pretty much all life on earth.
I can't think of a single reason that ties us to this planet, your also forgeting that pesky little documentation that tells us we were placed here.
There's no reason whatsoever to think that we were brought here.
Then please explain to me why we decided to add more food to our diet, and why we have so many dieticians and so many health related problems to food. If you have all the answers for the master diet, why are we not eating it?
We can eat a perfectly healthy diet with all natural foods and get all essential nutrients without altering a thing.
Your making assumptions that we couldn't survive on any other planet, again neverminde the documentation that tells us its happened. Of course everything we do involves the earth, we are stuck here.
This undoubtedly proves we ARE from planet earth. Everything we do involves the earth, and we couldn't survive on any other known planet. Perfect atmospheric pressure and composition.
Which is why we have heatstroke, skin cancer, frostbite, and heat and AC. Because our climate is just so perfect.
Comfortable climate, very conducive to human survival in most areas of the planet.
If you polish a turd, you still only have a turd, this planet does not fit us.
We have an ozone layer, that if didn't exist humans would have an incredibly high cancer rate and probably would not survive. The physical dimensions and motion of the earth are perfect for our survival. It's clear as day that we came from earth.
If a primate is living off of one food, then it very wall could be a target food for him, provided its not processed and its natural.
Also please don't forget to respond to my points about gaining all nutrients from a healthy natural diet, which people do all over the world, debunking the notion of "target" food. Also please don't forget to list a primate that gets all its nutrients from a single food source. If you can't justify / counter these 2 points, your entire premise is invalid.
Please stop ignoring this. I never said humans were 4 billion years old. I said that the earth is 4 billion years old. Justify and back up your points about target food or my statements stand, which prove that silly concept wrong
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Barcs
You know barc if you honestly think your correct, and you truely believe that we belong on earth, maybe you can produce some obvous things that prove we have a connection with the planet. Not that its the best example but I like to once again go over to the anteater. He has special hearing to hear the ants, special nose to smell the ants, special claws to claw the ant hills, and a spceial tounge to grab ants from the deep.
Try to put humans in that same frame of mind, and produce some things that prove we are from earth. Can you come up with anything?
Ok you can't be serious. I know your just doing this to give us all a good laugh. OMG, really, getting high is proof that we are from earth. I'm just confused at what your connection is here.
Want proof that we are from Earth? The fact that Marijuana gets humans high is proof positive that we are from planet Earth?
Why?
Cannabinoids are the chemicals that get people high from Cannabis.
Cannabinoid receptors are located in our brain, and without these receptors, people would NOT get high.
Please explain how it just so happens that their is a plant on Earth, whose active ingredients fit the HUMAN brain like a set of keys! (cannabinoid receptors), if we are from a different planet!??!?!?!?
Originally posted by mastermindkar
reply to post by itsthetooth
About that bible you get all your reliable information from, I found this online.
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