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Originally posted by Zion Mainframe
Originally posted by diefaster
The US has a history of "reacting" to Russian technology, as opposed to being on the cutting edge. The F/A 22 is no different.
Well, that's not entirely true. Take the TU-160 for instance,a brilliant Russian rip-off of the older American B-1 Lancer.
It might be able to outmaneuver the F/A-22, but the F/A-22 has a better weapons system, radar and with the Beyond Visual Range attacks, infinite8 mentioned, the S-37 (or SU-47 as it is called now) will stand little chance, I think.
Originally posted by xchox
You guys are all just jealous that the F-8 Crusader would own both the Raptor and the Berkut! F*ck*ng Noobs!
Originally posted by sy.gunson
The Russians are not stupid. They have tested Stealth technology from a downed F-117A at the almaz test centre and developed countermeasures to see Stealth aircraft.
One method is to use variations of frequency washed through a sophisticated processor, so the suggestion that an F-22 will not be detected is wishful thinking.
There is also no evidence that the Russians do not have passive radar for stealth aircraft illuminated from the ground.
Third if the Russian long range air to air missiles are passively guided by datalink from sources other than the firing aircraft the F-22 is also in trouble.
Another point, Russians have wide borescope IR guided missiles which are slaved to IR tracker balls on the aircraft.
There are so many variables that I would say there is an even match.
I would even say that the West puts all it's eggs in one basket depending so heavily on Stealth.
Originally posted by BlackWidow23
NO the raptor is not invincible.
YES it is currently the best fighter.
YES it will be surpassed some day.
YES the PAK-FA will give it a run for its money.
YES stealth is beatable, and detectable.
N/A would win a nuclear war.
PLEASE, let this thread die.
Originally posted by sovietman
So if we tell all this in one sentence, su-47 is much more agile.
F-22 has supercruise capability. It is a nice thing but it's not so importaint in combat, except for lengthening the weapon's range, but Russia has long range missiles, wich U.S. doesn't.
By the way Sukhoi said su-47 will have supercruise ability. The top speed of operational su-47 is not yet known. FSW are usefull in supersonic flight, because they act the same way as delta wings. The only problem is twisting, but use of composite materials solve it.
You were talking about stealth. You were all brainwashed. Stealth does not exist, exept maybe in gliding aircraft. Did you see any picture of F-22 like this?
Can you see the hot track behind the raptor??
Raptor designers say they made a revolutionary turbofan where the cold air surrounds the hot core. I can tell you, by IR cameras, a track like this in the picture can be detected from hundreds or even thousands of miles away. In the exhaust of an aircraft are many small particles, which can't be removed so easily and reflect radar beams perfectly.
Even if everything i wrote about stealth is wrong, su-47 will have stealth capability. The only possible way of avoiding radar detection is by flying very low. Again in one sentence, new russian aircraft (also su-47 will) have IR cameras and radars on the ground are powerfull enough to detect stealth aircraft.
And about the avionics. We don't know which avionics will the operational su-47 have, but the testing version had digital engine control and very advanced avionics.