reply to post by badgerpit
I try to exit this dispute with you on level ground and you respond by throwing insults? You stay classy rnaa.
Once again I find you assuming how my thought process works, and once again you are completely wrong.
I do not refuse answers just to refuse answers, I always consider the source first.
I can only go by what you have said in your own posts. You have said exactly how your thought process works: if you don't get an answer that agrees
with your preconceived bias, you reject it.
You think that because the state or government OFFICIALLY says something, then it is game over? You are the perfect citizen for these guys. Wise
The sole purpose of State Vital Statistics offices is to maintain those vital statistics so we don't have to have these kind of disputes. There is no
higher authority, if they say Obama was born in Hawai'i, then Obama was born in Hawai'i.
Could they be lying? Of course they could. So could the State of Michigan be lying about Romney and me. So could your State be lying about you. If
they are lying there is no way on Earth that you are going to find out about it by examining the bit sequence of a document scanned to PDF or even the
actual paper certificate, and you don't get to accuse anyone of fraud without proof.
The fact that somebody doesn't like Obama is not
evidence of fraud by Obama, and especially not evidence of fraud by Hawai'ian State officials. The fact that you don't trust officialdom is also not
evidence that those officials have committed fraud.
You don't get to go on fishing expeditions because your only evidence is that somebody has a funny name, the wrong color skin, is a member of the
wrong political party, or is simply in a position of power. You need evidence
You cannot go throwing around the word 'fact' so carelessly. Historically, what we have known to have been 'fact', a lot of times turns out not to
be the way we interpret things today. This is as true today as it ever was.
I am not throwing around the word 'fact' carelessly. This is not a debate about spontaneous generation or a flat earth. This is a discussion about
the professionalism and integrity of the officials our society, yours and mine, have entrusted with the maintenance of Vital Statistic FACTS. Where
and when a birth took place is a fact that does not change depending on advancing knowledge. The event was recorded and stored for future reference.
It is a FACT, and will not change whether you agree that the PDF is 'genuine' or not.
You only think you know that Obama was born in Hawaii because you were told so and you chose to believe it. You have zero actual knowledge. This is
true about everything, of course, but in this case not everyone agrees on the 'facts'.
You are exactly right and this is exactly why the State Offices of Vital Statistics and the Birth Certificate system was developed in the United
States in the early 1900's. I was not present at Obama's birth, but his mother and the attending physicians were and they attested to the facts of
the birth and recorded those details with the State Vital Statistics.
that Obama was born in Honolulu because his mother and the attending physician TOLD ME so. Do you understand that? I have been TOLD
DIRECTLY by the people who witnessed Obama's birth, his mother and the attending physician, via the records entrusted to the State of Hawai'i for
safe keeping. Zero degrees of separation.
I don't see the nation dividing itself over a dispute if the sky is blue or not. Reason? It's conclusive, we can all agree to this except maybe for
the occasional color blinded trouble-maker.
So you haven't been paying attention to the Cold Case Posse investigation at all have you? Their stock in trade is denying that the sky is blue.
What you have been calling a fact is actually a truth, and truth is not the same as fact. You seem intelligent enough to know.
You have it backward. Facts are true, or they are not facts. Not all truth is fact.
Where on Earth did you get the notion that I do or don't care about Romney's tax return? As I have stated before, I am not associated with any party
nor will I ever be. In case you are missing the big picture, the game is rigged. The democrat and republican lines are imaginary and are only for us
peasants to indulge in as yet another means to keep us divided, and thus controlled. I have as much faith in Romney's morality as I do in Obama's or
any major policy maker for that matter. It is a cesspool in DC and to trust any of them on their word is about as foolish a thing as I can imagine.
I apologize for misunderstanding. Can you point me to any threads where you have discussed Romney's short comings? I don't want to make that mistake