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I would consider that social disobedience, not civil disobedience.
Civil disobedience would require breaking the law and/or disobeying authority.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
You can blame God all you want but there comes a time when you have to stop casting blame on others and accept your own blame. The 14 years of pain and anguish after i ran away at 17 was inflicted on by no one else but me, i freed myself at 17 and then enslaved myself again to my rage and anger and pain and no one else did that but me.
This has nothing to do what what I'm saying. Were it anyone else, a mortal man here on Earth perhaps, asking you to do these things in "reverence", we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
All love of "God" stems from the fact that whatever we fear, he'll supposedly save us from. It's a godmod, and we'll tell ourselves whatever lies we have to in order to sleep at night.
Can we expect unconditional love without giving it in return? Do parents really have unconditional love for their children? I think not, judging by the adults they become.
My question to all you whiners....what has God done to you to make you so angry with Him?
You stick your finger in a fire and get burned then blame God because he created fire? Silly people.
The kind of cult brainwashing that religions do is not easy to buck. Even now, as far from the christian cult that I am, I find my mind trying to slip back into it. That was almost 20 years ago.
Like when my cuz died, the night of his memorial party, I found my mind wandering back to those lunatics ideas they put in my head. Wondering if cuz was burning in some hell because he was raised native faith, and not a born again , baptized twice christian. It's pretty scary sometimes, it can creep up anytime, usually when I am laying in bed trying to sleep, or working on a piece of art. If I don't put up a real effort to push the crap out of my mind, it just builds up. If that makes any sense lol.
Originally posted by wildtimes
Okay, fine. Social disobedience. Inasmuch as The Law was the Religion, and the Priests were the Authorities, he certainly wasn't "following the law" by storming into their temple and causing a scene.
He may not have argued with Pilate or defended himself against the Romans, but he certainly knew what he was doing would probably get him killed.
As for Mysticsm....and your questions to BlueMule...
Christ himself was a mystic, who studied with the Buddhists in India, as well as the mystics who were the Essenes -- they were, in fact, his family. His mother was a mystic leader, too. He was teaching the Golden Rule, and the powers did not like it. They -- his own people -- killed him for not conforming. They insisted the Romans kill him, rather. Nice.
Actually, I don't believe in the resurrection, either. I think they got him down from the cross and healed him. Lots of evidence that he survived, and plenty of historical research backing up the possibility.
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by BlueMule
One simple question.
When you meditate, what do you focus and meditate on?
I meditate on virtues. Faith, hope, love, charity, compassion, justice, mercy, forgiveness, dignity, honor, strength.
edit on 17-7-2012 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
What? His mother was a mystic leader? Who claimed that?
The Essenes were a third religious sect during the time of Christ that lived away from the towns. Instead they lived in simple communities. The Essenes practiced the seventh day sabbath, non-violence to all living creatures and the sharing of all material possesions. They were uninvolved in the politics of the Sadducees and Pharisees and shunned publicity. Because of the discovery of dead sea scroll material, this ancient sect and their teachings are back alive. The dead sea scrolls were hidden by this ancient people long ago in the caves of Qumram. Josephus writing around 80 A.D. said that the Essenes were Jews by birth but semed to have a greater affection for one another than they did for the Pharisees and Sadducees. Their piety toward God was extraordinary. They wore chitw garments. They used no profanity. They were ministers of peace. They spend a great deal of time studying the writings of the ancients.
In fact, here's a list of the arrests and six trials of Jesus.
He was put to death for claiming to be the Son of God, blasphemy.
Jesus did not rebel against authority.
Yes, he became frustrated and dealt with those whom he was trying to teach, but that wasn't bucking authority.
Let me ask this another way. Has man improved mankind's mindset in a way that brings us all together, without just the task of entertaining ourselves or finding ways to live longer?