Oct 10 1967, 37 years ago Che Guevara died

Here is how the event was reported by the Guardian all those years ago.

www.guardian.co.uk...

I like this bit best: "..and the American agent made desperate efforts to keep off the crowds. He was a very nervous man and looked furious whenever cameras were pointed in his direction. He knew that I knew who he was and he also knew that I knew that he should not be there, for this is a war in which the Americans are not supposed to be taking part. Yet here was this man, who has been with the troops in Vallegrande, talking to the senior officers on familiar terms."

THE AMERICANS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING PART..

Dirty little cheating...

A pity he didn't die sooner.

Allthough it does gove me an extra reason to celebrate today, other than it being friday.

Originally posted by mwm1331
Allthough it does gove me an extra reason to celebrate today, other than it being friday.

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Guevara was no better than hitler IMHO

Alrightty then. Please remember that NO personal attacks are allowed.

Thanks
FredT

Corinthas

History really is not in your side. Che's is mentioned frequently with the likes of Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin etc. Not company id want to keep. Please read the article below......

Che's legacy in Cuba is one neighbor spying on another, high suicide rates, and a generation of young Cubans risking their lives on rafts in the Florida Straits rather than continue to live under a despotic government. A people cannot prosper in a regime founded and based in hatred. We must transcend hate, and we must overcome evil for Cuba to be free.
Che's Legacy?

Originally posted by mwm1331
Guevara was no better than hitler IMHO

Since you know so much about this man, please provide the rest of us with a list of some of his atrocities.

I wonder why the quality of life in Cuba is so bad with the US blockades and sactions around.. oh it MUST be the awful mis-management by the commies.

Geuvara wasn't successful at anything except dying IMHO. I read the bio on a site and it seems like he was an utter failure at pretty much everything he attempted. This could be argued of course since Castro had promised support from local communist regimes - and getting basically nothing.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
[Since you know so much about this man, please provide the rest of us with a list of some of his atrocities.

Ace,

Che was kind of Castros Himmler as it were. He is responable for forced labor camps etc.

Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system�the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine.
Atrocites et al

Here's a more complete quote on that subject of hatred:

Che Guevara
�The great lesson of the guerrillas' invincibility is taking hold among the masses of the dispossessed. The galvanization of the national spirit; the preparation for more difficult tasks, for resistance to more violent repression. Hate as a factor in the struggle, intransigent hatred for the enemy that takes one beyond the natural limitations of a human being and converts one into an effective, violent, selective, cold, killing machine. Our soldiers must be like that; a people without hate cannot triumph over a brutal enemy.� - message to the Tricontinental; 1967

Che was a Communist thug. And the thing that gets me are these punks who buy the shirts with his face on them. The people who do that are contributing to what Che hated, Capitalism.

Che was Fidel's executioner, who was called a combination of Himmler and Beria. They say that Che's murders of Cubans exceded Himmler's pre-war executions.

It is disputed but, it is said that Che sighned 500 or 600 death warrents.Luis Ortega who knew Che in the 50s, says that Che sent nearl 2,000 people to die by firiing squad. Now I don't get why people in the US, appauled this beast who killed many, who were gagged or blindfolded without a fair trial.

The first three months of the Cuban Revolution had 568 firing squad executions. This is from the New York Times article I have at my house.

Che had public "trials" and executions for these people.

"And the executions, right down to the final shattering of the skull with the coup de grace from a massive .45 slug fired at five paces, were public too. Guevara made it a policy for his men to parade the families and friends of the executed before the blood, bone and brain-spattered paredon" is what a source on Che qoutes.

"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"

Taken from Che's book/diary.

Now many of his prisnors were yanked out of their prison cells, gagged and and set up against the exeution wall and were shot.

LINK

Provided is a nice piece on the cowardly brutal thug known as Che Guevara.

Has Cuba benefited from the actions of Che and Fidel? No. Communism has made the country worse, why the hell do you think people are so eager to leave and risk their lives to escape to the USA?

Originally posted by FredT
Corinthas

History really is not in your side. Che's is mentioned frequently with the likes of Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin etc. Not company id want to keep. Please read the article below......

Che's legacy in Cuba is one neighbor spying on another, high suicide rates, and a generation of young Cubans risking their lives on rafts in the Florida Straits rather than continue to live under a despotic government. A people cannot prosper in a regime founded and based in hatred. We must transcend hate, and we must overcome evil for Cuba to be free.
Che's Legacy?

FredT,

The only reason that Che is mentioned in the same breath as such leaders is because of people like you, who fear communism. The bottom line is that Guevara helped to OVERTHROW a despotic government. Batista, who had overthrown the peaceful, liberal government of Cuba under Girardo Machado was possibly the worst leader that Cuba had had in the modern age. He placed the country of Cuba under perpetual martial law, and denied all personal freedoms that could possibly pose a threat to his position.

He was over-authorative, and worse yet, he represented another example of US foreign 'dirty politics', wherein he was helped to solidify his position by the US government, despite massive social unrest due to his rule.

When Che Guevara and Fidel Castro overthrew Batista, there was, of course, a period where things were tough, as you spoke of. However, this was not due to Guevara and Castro, but instead due to the sanctions placed on Cuba by none other than the US government. If you're really looking for despotism, you only need to look so far as US foreign policy, and the madmen that they have installed/helped to retain as leaders in foreign countries.

Castro has since become one of the most well-loved men in Cuba, but no, we don't hear about that. Remember a couple years back when he fell at a public speech, and many of the observers were found to be crying, for they feared that he was ill? I rest my case. Castro is an old commie dog, as you might put it, but is still very much well loved in his country. Is Communism really evil? I think Capitalism inspires more evil than communism.

Communism isn't as bad as it's made out to be. It usually doesn't end up working due to outside forces caused by the US-engineered mass panic regarding Communism. I am however, willing to admit that it takes alot of effort to maintain. Possibly too much. But is running around cursing the name of famous Communists going to increase acceptance that it is a viable form of government? No. There are equally as many problems with capitalism, but they are ignored. We need to realize that this isn't the red scare anymore. Communists are not the enemy.

Thanks for reading.

For everybody that thinks communism is the greatest political movement ever all I have to ask is; even without the sanctions on cuba and if communism is so great, how come Cuba has not moved into the 20th century much less the 21st. The same question for N.K. It was my understanding that collective farms and industry were to help the people, yet niether of these countries can feed themselves without help from the evil capitalists.

Originally posted by tomcat
For everybody that thinks communism is the greatest political movement ever all I have to ask is; even without the sanctions on cuba and if communism is so great, how come Cuba has not moved into the 20th century much less the 21st. The same question for N.K. It was my understanding that collective farms and industry were to help the people, yet niether of these countries can feed themselves without help from the evil capitalists.

I think if any democracy out there endured what Cuba and North Korea endured, they might also be in the same economic situation.

Go ahead and treat the Cayman Islands or Bermuda the same way Cuba was treated and see how quickly their wealth goes away.

If you think Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were bad, look at the man they overthrew in 1959, dictator Fulgencio Batista - who turned Cuba into a huge casino for the mafia.

www.historyofcuba.com...
www.trincoll.edu...

Originally posted by JediMaster
Che was a Communist thug.

Making henry Kissinger what exactly?

A capitalist baby eating monster?!?!