Passage of obamacare political conspiracy to takecown Obama

Think about it, the house passed contempt charges against Holder, and then the supreme court rules on obama care, by a republican appointed chief justice, with a technicality that makes it invalid since it is a tax on something you don't do. This was designed to place huge pressure on Obama.

Oh, and all this happening since Bilderburg picked Romney?

Do you believe or do you refuse to see?

Do you see what is happening here? Fast and furious is nearing impeachment of Obama, and Obamacare just sent the right wing aggression over the edge. Obama is never coming back from this. Unless he attacks Iran they will not ever have him save face.

What does this tell you about the power of builderberg?

So, passage of HIS signature "achievement" is a conspiracy against him??? Seriously?

reply to post by cybro


Exactly, Obama is the butt end of jokes. Hardly a victory. If the white house made the move it would be one thing, but the congress with fast and furious and supreme court with obamacare is a double whammy to make Obama look bad just to make romney look good. Both are puppets no mistaking that, but this is all to make romney look good. Think about it while you piss in rage over this obamacare.

You know, OP, I can see your point, and it is a valid one. The heat is really coming down on Obama and he is running out of tricks and distractions. The only card he has left to play is to give the green light on starting World War 3, freaking everybody out so much that they forget the Supreme Court's nonsensical decision and Eric Holder's being in the hot-seat over Fast and Furious.

Every time I think I have TPTB's motives and direction figured out, they throw a monkey wrench into the works and I end up surprised as hell.

I voted for Obama, and I feel totally sheep-dipped by him. I will no longer vote, which is sad for me to say, because I've voted in every election since I was 18 years old (and I'm 50). I want no part of this crazy lie they casually label a "democracy" anymore. It is a sham, a lie, and a total disgrace.

You know, if enough people did that, and less than 40% of the electorate participated in this election, it could be called an invalid election. But no, people get sucked into the nonsense every four years, and the idiocy of "voting for the lesser of two evils".

What does it matter what sock puppet takes the oval office next year? The Bilderbergs will get their way no matter what. We have two crooked candidates. We lose either way, and they win either way.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
So, passage of HIS signature "achievement" is a conspiracy against him??? Seriously?

Both are puppets, they just passed this for the elites not obama. Obamacare is not obamas signature. He did not write it, corporations did, he is not a doctor, nor will he reap the money from the medical drugs. Romney had more influence as a prototype, if romney wins, he is already experienced with romneycare. So either way the elites win. Also, the way it was passed could invalidate it, so if the elites want it that way, they can crush obamas plan. What they will do no one knows, but they are in control if you know how to see it. I think it will stay, and be a constant reminder of the failure of obama. It seems likely, no definite though.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


Exactly, iam not defending the puppet obama, I am simply saying this negative energy will be used to get romney elected. Hopefully enough people see through the left right illusion and romney loses despite the political leverage. Even if obama is reelected we at least know how bad it will be. I hope people wake up from the delusion and get an independent or ron paul in the mix.

Now we have Republicans acting outraged about obamacare and I wish people would wake up to the fact that it is just an act. Republicans and Democrats are all on the same team. They just pretend to fight each other. Republicans will do absolutely nothing to repeal this. In fact they will do exactly the opposite. Now that a new can of worms has been opened up it is going to be a contest to pass laws requiring Americans to make all kinds of forced purchases from banks and insurance companies but not just them. At this point the federal government can make you buy anything and call it a tax.

maybe, i think roberts is just bought and paid for by the left. or he owns a lot of insurance stocks.

I vote for the party that does the best at upholding the second amendment.

reply to post by filosophia

I came to this thread because of curiosity, I couldn't understand the headline. I thought I would find understanding in the OP.

This is what I have so far: Obama, who suffered a huge loss in the 2010 elections, who is facing a depressing economy that has been going on for years, who has invested billions of dollars in "green" companies that have failed to produce a job, or have gone bankrupt, who has flung cruise missiles around the Middle East and Africa, who has presided over the reduction of American power and prestige, who is failing to generate much interest in his re-election campaign, who has been found to be a liar multiple times over in his memoirs, who is watching Syria avoid any American effort towards peaceful resolution, THAT OBAMA?

He's a victim of a devilishly clever conspiracy because his health care plan was passed by Congress and found Constitutional by the Supreme Court? That puts huge pressure on Obama? Holder's problems, which have been going on for over a year, are putting huge pressure on Obama? All of this other stuff, he could have brushed off, but this, this is what will push him over the edge? To do what?

Do you believe or do you refuse to see?

How about C. It makes no sense to me.

No.

The fact that the godfather of the mandate is running against Obama tells me that TPTB have covered their bases in terms of having the American people being forced to pay for health insurance.

Obama and Romney are the same guy. Perhaps one wears magic underwear and they disagree on gays, but they are both shills for their corporate masters.

reply to post by charles1952


Timing is everything, it is no coincidence that this came right after the contempt charges. The fact that obama is still arguing whether or not this is a tax just shows the republicans unfortunately have the upper hand. The right wing can spend hundreds of hours talking about how evil obamacare is, the whole debates were centered around it. The right will use this to push an anyone but obama mentality which translates as Romney, and not for example ron paul or bruce springstein or anyone else. So I don't see this as a success for obama in any way. Sure a success for the socialist system which will suck the blood of the peasantry, but not Obama.

Originally posted by spinalremain
No.

The fact that the godfather of the mandate is running against Obama tells me that TPTB have covered their bases in terms of having the American people being forced to pay for health insurance.

Obama and Romney are the same guy. Perhaps one wears magic underwear and they disagree on gays, but they are both shills for their corporate masters.

romney=godfather of mandate
obama= TAX-OHOLIC
which one will the masses see as more evil?
i say the marxist in chief...

reply to post by filosophia

Dear filosophia, (What a wonderful name.)

I'm not sure one way or the other about the benefits of Robert's ruling tor Obama. It seems like both sides can get at least a little something from it. But as far as the "anyone but Obama" business, it's been that way since before the 2010 elections. I think that's about all the Republicans have been thinking about for years.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
So, passage of HIS signature "achievement" is a conspiracy against him??? Seriously?

Yes. I think it's a very plausible argument. If the Supreme Court has rules this unconstitutional ( I would have likely agreed), it would have cut the legs out form under the GOP's biggest campaign tool: "Repeal ObamaCare", AND motivated the Dem base. As it stands, SCOTUS decision (by a Republican-appointed Conservative Justice) has ensured an energized GOP base, and a likely indifferent if not smugly over-confident Dem base.

Too many GOP voters are too non-plussed on Romney to go out and vote for him. But they CAN be motivated to go out and vote against "ObamaCare".

ETA: filosophia got it exactly right in his post above, imo.

reply to post by stanguilles7

Dear stanguilles7,

Nice to see you again, having you around is a guarantee of good conversation. May I ask you to expand on one of your points? If I understand you, Roberts' position and vote was part of a Republican plot. (Or some scheme to help Romney, I don't care what we call it.)

Why do you think the four Democrat justices went along with him? One defection from the four and the plot would have been foiled. Conversely, why was Roberts the only Republican in on it? Why didn't the other four vote with him?

As I've said often, I'm Mr. Confusion, hoping for some guidance.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by charles1952


Why do you think the four Democrat justices went along with him? One defection from the four and the plot would have been foiled. Conversely, why was Roberts the only Republican in on it? Why didn't the other four vote with him?

Well, arent you polite.

Good question. I think you could argue that there is little reason to believe all the Justices all have to be in on the plot. Only the key deciding vote. It would be easy for the GOP to know that all the more 'liberal' justices would vote to rule it Constitutional. Even the other Conservative Justices dont need to be in on the 'plot'. Just Justice Roberts. Who, by the way, apparently changed his vote just a month ago

“I am told by two sources with specific knowledge of the court’s deliberations that Roberts initially sided with the conservatives in this case and was prepared to strike down…the individual mandate,” said Crawford on CBS’ Face the Nation. “But Roberts, I’m told by my sources, changed his views, deciding to instead join with the liberals. There was a one-month campaign to bring Roberts back into the conservative fold, led, ironically, by Anthony Kennedy.”

The irony is that Roberts didn’t have to rewrite the statute in order to issue a judicially minimalist opinion. He could have done what the Obama administration asked him to do: if the individual mandate is unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, also sever the law’s guaranteed-issue and community rating provisions, and leave the rest of the law intact.

Instead, he invented out of whole cloth a new definition of taxation that contravenes long-standing precedent. He added hundreds of billions of dollars to the federal deficit, by way of his Medicaid ruling. And he forever tarnished his legacy as a Justice, and his promise to the nation that he would serve as an umpire, and “remember that it’s my job to call balls and strikes, and not to pitch or bat.”

Did he take one for the term? Dooming hi own 'reputation' so that he can ultimately cause "ObamaCare" to topple under the weight of the parameters his ruling set?

Now, to be clear, I'm not saying I think this is what happened. I'm just saying it's a very plausible argument for what might have happened. And it certainly can be argued that it wors out well for the GOP, not Obama.


ETA: "who has invested billions of dollars in "green" companies that have failed to produce a job, "

Rather off-topic, but I wanted to point out that that money actually produced a LOT of jobs. It just didnt produce any long-term jobs. Mainly construction, etc.

If anything, it will be Obama that brings himself down.

He put himself in this position by making bad calls.

He deserves all the criticism he recieves.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?