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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Turkey jet crisis unlikely to pull NATO into Syria


www.foxnews.com


And so it was on Monday, when foreign ministers from the 27 European Union countries condemned Syria's downing Friday of a Turkish jet, but said the bloc would not support military action in the troubled country.

"What happened is to be considered very seriously," said Dutch Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal. Having gotten his denunciation out of the way, he let the other shoe drop: "We do not go for any interventions."



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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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This is just one source of many i have seen today that pretty much confirms there will be no military response to the downing of Turkey's plane. The fact that Turkey didnt respond as soon as they had all the details was proof enough.

Tomorrow NATO gets together and will probably issue some sort of joint statement that condemns the action and issues a warning against such actions in the future yadda, yadda, yadda.

Anyone wanna bet? I posted this past weekend on many threads on ATS that this would NOT lead to war or any military response and i was criticized for it. I still say i will be 100% correct.

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Yeah well, Iran is the next target as we all know, so Syria will just have to wait before TPTB dishes out it's brand of "liberation".



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Doesn't mean the US wont back a Turkey Retaliation,

and it doesn't mean they will, regardless of the response, this is a significant step forwards, War is inevitable, as much as many don't wish it to be so, they are waiting for the proper excuse, and this is a step towards that direction,

just because they denounce any kind of Military Intervention now, doesn't mean it's concert, we can no longer be naive and believe everything that is said,



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Very unfortunate. We Americans must obey the jew and weaken Israel's neighbors. It is our patriotic duty!!!!



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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The real question is why was the plane in Syrian airspace?

It accidentally wandered there? Then how was Syria to know that it was simply a lost plane?

Right... They couldn't have known. In the present hostile environment Syria responded accordingly IMO. And in the future it would behoove Turkey to better train its pilots in staying within Turkish borders.
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Found this too, From Reuters


Syria warns NATO against action over Turkish plane



(Reuters) - Syria described its shooting down of a Turkish warplane as an act of self-defense and warned Turkey and its NATO allies against any retaliatory measures.

In shell-shattered districts of Homs, heart of a 16-month-old revolt against President Bashar al-Assad, rebels battled troops as aide workers tried to evacuate civilians. Turkish television reported the desertion of a Syrian general and other officers across the border.

Syria's account of Friday's shooting down, though tempered with commitment to a "neighborly relationship", seemed likely to further anger Ankara, which has summoned a NATO meeting on Tuesday over what it calls an unprovoked attack in international air space.


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Syria denies knowing downed fighter jet was Turkish


BEIRUT — Syria on Monday disputed Turkey’s account of how its forces shot down a Turkish fighter jet over the Mediterranean, insisting that Syrian gunners had not known the aircraft was Turkish.

At a news conference in Damascus, Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi struck a conciliatory note, saying that Syria valued its “brotherly” relationship with Turkey, but also said the location and speed of the plane represented “a clear breach of Syrian sovereignty.”


Regardless of what happens, Turkey should have been smarter about making sure NONE of their planes could have encroached onto Syrian territory.. especially considering the 'tinder box' that is the Syrian and international environment at the moment.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Report: 33 Syria military members defect to Turkey

news.yahoo.com...

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Dozens of members of Syria's military defected to Turkey overnight with their families, a Turkish official said Monday, at a time of heightened tensions between the two countries over Syria's downing of a Turkish military plane.

The state-run Anadolu news agency said 33 soldiers crossed into Turkey overnight and the group — 224 people in all — included a general and two colonels



Turkey's Energy Minister, Taner Yildiz, meanwhile, signaled that his government is to cut electricity supplies to the conflict-torn country, where escalating violence has claimed thousands of lives and forced hundreds of thousands of people from their homes.



maybe not significant to the story, but, lets pretend they issue a joint statement condemning the actions of Syria shooting down the plane, so they cut electricity to some parts, and another 'Accident Happens'

there are many avenues to commence War, and if they want it, which we know they do, they will find any avenue and loophole required
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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I really dont think they want war. They already have the pretext if they wanted to do so. They have had several. The US/NATO has attacked countries under far less reasons. This is a very positive sign IMO.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Yeah right.. here a video show "the plane shoot down"

www.liveleak.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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I don't think any new wars or financial crashes will occur until the Olympics start or even finish.

"They" hate to mess with that ritual, unless they intentionally decide to mess with that ritual.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by jiwozejy214
reply to post by princeofpeace
 


Very unfortunate. We Americans must obey the jew and weaken Israel's neighbors. It is our patriotic duty!!!!


Did you even read the OP? Here, let me make it easy for you...

"And so it was on Monday, when foreign ministers from the 27 European Union countries condemned Syria's downing Friday of a Turkish jet, but said the bloc would not support military action in the troubled country."

Did you notice that word European in there? Even if this was really NATO, you do realise NATO doesn't stand for North America don't you?

It amazes me that blatent anti semitism against Jews always seems to be found acceptable on this site - even when it is childish comments such as your own.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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NATO is already in syria (rebels)




posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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And now Syria has shot at a second Turkish plane?The second plane was searching for the plane that was shot down. How will NATO and the UN look at this?
www.reuters.com... ews&rpc=401




Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc told a news conference that Turkey would protect itself, within the framework of international law, against what it called Syria's "hostile action" of downing its warplane last week.

He said at the end of a seven-hour cabinet meeting on the incident that Syria's downing of the reconnaissance jet would "not go unpunished".

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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
And now Syria has shot at a second Turkish plane?The second plane was searching for the plane that was shot down. How will NATO and the UN look at this?
www.reuters.com... ews&rpc=401




Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc told a news conference that Turkey would protect itself, within the framework of international law, against what it called Syria's "hostile action" of downing its warplane last week.

He said at the end of a seven-hour cabinet meeting on the incident that Syria's downing of the reconnaissance jet would "not go unpunished".


The fact of the matter is that the Turkish jet was in Syrian airspace. NATO is not going to rush in for that any more than they did when the USSR shot down a 747 full of people several years ago. Naturally everyone has to make their posturing remarks.

According to Reuters, Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said today that Turkey has no intention of going to war. He said that whatever Turkey's response, it would be within the framework of international law.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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edit on 25-6-2012 by something wicked because: mistake, removed



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Turkey and Syria were supposed to be working together on a search and rescue. So Turkey had permission for the second plane to be there. And then they fired on it.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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No, the second plane was there BEFORE they had permission to enter their airspace to search. The articles say that it "rushed into the area" after the F-4 went missing.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by cry93
The real question is why was the plane in Syrian airspace?
It accidentally wandered there? Then how was Syria to know that it was simply a lost plane?
Right... They couldn't have known. In the present hostile environment Syria responded accordingly IMO.
edit on 25-6-2012 by cry93 because: (no reason given)

There are no clear guidelines visible above the ocean as per where the air space starts or ends for any country. It is generally calibrated and/or calculated by the navigation system and/or the pilots. So if someone made an error, it is generally responded by a warning and a reminder over the Flight Communications system and/or escorts are sent to ensure nothing goes wrong. But in this case, the investigation hasn't concluded it seems to lets see what comes out. I can see Syria being hostile and all but is their Air Force busy fighting the rebels? Just curious.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure a trained pilot knows when he is outside of his borders. I'm sure there was on the ground tracking by Turkey, too.

You are missing the point that Syria is expecting NATO involvement. Turkey is a member of NATO. I plane encroaching on Syrian soil without a warning should have been viewed as hostile.





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