Originally posted by facedye
i will try to make myself as straight forward as possible - they CAME DOWN as dust. as the buildings traveled to the ground, not only were they
meeting no resistance whatsoever from the floors below, but they were ejecting huge white clouds of smoke floor by floor. where is the office
equipment? where are the desks, tables, chairs, half burned bodies, carpets, elevators, computers? this is hopefully the clarification that can work.
AS they came down, they pulverized everything on the way there. showing me a picture of debris and a few BENT (!) steel beams won't do much against a
conversation about how they traveled, not how the ground looked afterwards. i hope i'm being clear here, let me know if i'm stirring more
have you taken any introductory physics courses, by the way? i've had the opportunity of having all of these insights before taking a physics class
myself. through conversations with my professors and study of the science, it was very easy to see how two planes can't eviscerate two buildings into
dust. two planes also cannot make a building come down in 9 seconds (which is the accurate freefall speed of an object dropping from that height
without any resistance below it). this is important, because when an object meets no resistance, it just picks up speed as it travels downward with
gravity. if the towers "pancaked," they would have either both been partially standing, or it would have taken MUCH longer for them to...
it's very simple, really. if the planes hit the towers, and the tops of the towers fell over on an angle, you'd have most of the towers still
standing. this is, dare i say, a mathematical certainty with all measurements considered.
same thing goes for world trade center 7. if there was as you say a 20 foot hole on one side, and that side gave way to the rest of the building, it
would have toppled over. it would not have come straight down.
I suggest you do your physics class again lets see at school I studied maths, physics,engineering drawing, engineering science ( a more focused
version of physics).
Left school worked for a structural steelwork company
did civil engineering as a day release course as part of my job training.
Now work advising architects,engineers and site managers on structural fixings(18+ yrs) YOU KNOW the things that help hold up buildings and now have
30+ years in construction.
They did not come down as dust YES dust was created so lets list WHAT could create that dust, some of the concrete from floor slabs No doubt but NOT
it all, sheetrock THOUSANDS of sq mtrs in those buildings, the sprayed on fire protection, paint , dust build up in areas of the building that are not
cleaned,and also part of it was smoke!!!!
Are YOU really stupid enough to think that objects like desks computers,furniture and people would be seen in the pictures released lets see you have
TENS of THOUSANDS OF TONS of steel and concrete falling from up to 1300+ feet.
As for your 9 secs THATS TOTAL BS can you explain this picture with your best physics!!!
How can the wall panel drop faster than the floors if the floors are at freefall speed !!!!
It wasn't a 20ft hole it was a gash 20 FLOORS high in WTC 7.
Now a little lesson on steelwork structures the main design with THE WTC Towers was to get as much rental space a possible the unfortunate floor
design ment the FLOORS were held up with angle cleats on the core and walls if those failed floor slabs could DROP its that simple.
WTC 7 also had a weakness the FOYER of the building was a large open plan area so steelwork above that was supported over a large span which again
caused problems because of fires and impact damage.
So when YOU have 30 + yrs experience I might give A HOOT about what you think!