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Senate rejects bid to label genetically modified food

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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:09 AM
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As a matter of fact, you're on to something.

While I think labeling GMO food should happen, buying food from a farmer's market that's grown in an organic/all natural way could be advertised as such, even though the seeds used could easily have come from Monsanto/Du Pont etc.

It's really sad how they'll put a mark on a CD for curse words, but don't mark food that might kill you.




posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
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If you support organic blindly you are supporting the same damn thing:


Why are you continuing to make wild assumptions? Who the eff said anything about blindly supporting organic foods? I buy fresh produce from local farms and produce co-ops. I know where it comes from, when it was harvested, and what is used in its production. I hardly consider that "blind" support. Go be a troll somewhere else.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by draco49

Originally posted by boncho
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If you support organic blindly you are supporting the same damn thing:


Why are you continuing to make wild assumptions? Who the eff said anything about blindly supporting organic foods? I buy fresh produce from local farms and produce co-ops. I know where it comes from, when it was harvested, and what is used in its production. I hardly consider that "blind" support. Go be a troll somewhere else.


Okay, ill bite. Who's their seed suppliers?

List form please.


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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous404
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As a matter of fact, you're on to something.

While I think labeling GMO food should happen, buying food from a farmer's market that's grown in an organic/all natural way could be advertised as such, even though the seeds used could easily have come from Monsanto/Du Pont etc.

It's really sad how they'll put a mark on a CD for curse words, but don't mark food that might kill you.


Precisely.


There are serious problems in the organic industry. Most notably, the fact that organic crops and livestock are not tested. This has led to a situation where over 80 percent of the certified organic food sold is imported from places like China, Indonesia and Mexico, all based on paperwork and the payment of hefty fees. But Kastel doesn’t care. Who knows? Maybe his boss likes the current laxity of the organic certification system.


www.isitorganic.ca...

While I don't plan or suggest anyone to buy this fellows book, he may be on to something.

Surely I'll be blasted in this thread and it seems as though I am rallying for GMO foods, but if people just took off their shades of bias for a minute, they might be able to see beyond the surface as you have.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
Okay, ill bite. Who's there seed suppliers.

List form please.



The seeds come from the same plants that grow the produce. These aren't GMO crops that don't produce seeds. I don't think I can give you a list of specific suppliers because I'm not involved in their business; I am a consumer. But I can tell you that farms and co-ops I buy from do not use GMO seed stocks. Ya done trolling yet?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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You just did a bit of cheerleading for GMO foods a few posts back.

Serves you right if people caught a whiff of the b.s that you're peddling.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
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If you support organic blindly

these GMO companies are evil insidious organizations that wont even let us know what we are putting into our bodies because they are scared our access to freely choose between organic and GMO will cause them a loss in profits... that's completely unethical and your support of such entities shows how corrupt your soul is.
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But you support the organic labels, so somehow you have great morals than me I suppose?


Wal-Mart is required to shut some of its stores in Chongqing and to pay fines after some of its managers were charged with mislabeling regular pork as organic pork. Police detained some of the managers and have ordered the actions based on their findings.

The infringement was not a minor one. Over 14.4 tons of pork were mislabeled purposefully and sold as organic.
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Here is the list of the companies with only a few of their products which the Center has identified as having misleading product information. Some of these companies may have more than these products which have allegedly been mislabled:

Advantage Research Laboratories, Inc./Murray’s Worldwide, Inc.: Parnevu T-Tree No Lye Conditioning Relaxer System
Aubrey Organics, Inc: Collagen & Almond Enriching Moisturizing Lotion
Beauty Without Cruelty/Lotus Brands, Inc: Organic Aromatherapy Facial Cleanser
Boots Retail USA Inc: Boots Amazon Forest Brazil Nut & Vanilla Body Wash
California Inside & Out, Inc: Out of Africa Handwash Tea Tree with Essential Oil
Colomer U.S.A.: Crème of Nature Kiwi & Citrus Ultra Moisturizing Shampoo
Cosway Company, Inc/Head Organics Company: Clearly Head Conditioner
Curls, LLC: Curlicious Curls Cleansing Cream Organic Shampoo
derma e® Natural Bodycare/Stearns Products, Inc: Psorzema Body Wash
Hain Celestial Group: Jason Thin-to-Thick Conditioner and Baby Avalon Organics Silky Cornstarch Baby Powder
House of Cheatham, Inc: Organics by Africa’s Best Hair Mayonnaise
International Trade Routes of New York, Inc/Laboratorios Phergal: Naturtint Green Technologies Permanent Hair Colorant
Kinky-Curly Hair Care: Kinky-Curly Spiral Spritz
Kiss My Face Corporation: Hold Up Styling Mousse
Lafe’s Natural BodyCare/Lafe T. Larson, Inc: Deodorant Stone With Holder
Morrocco Method, Inc: Euro Organic Oil Simply Pure Hair & Scalp Therapy
Namasté Laboratories: Organic Root Stimulator Olive Oil Replenishing Pak
Nature’s Baby Products, Inc: Nature’s Baby ORGANICS Shampoo & Body Wash in Vanilla-Tangerine Scent or Lavender-Chamomile Scent
Nubian Heritage Group/Sundial Group LLC: Coconut & Papaya with Vanilla Bean Extract Body Wash
Nutrition Resource, Inc. dba NutriBiotic: NutriBiotic Everyday Clean Conditioner Botanical Blend
Rainbow Research Corporation: Rainbow Baby Oh Baby Unscented Organic Herbal Shampoo
Renpure, L.L.C: Renpure Organics I Love My Hair! Body and Shine Shampoo
Strength of Nature Global, LLC: Elasta QP Intense Fortifying Hair Conditioning Treatment
Sundial Brands/Sundial Group LLC: Shea Moisture Organic Raw Shea Butter Moisture Retention Shampoo
The Himalaya Drug Company: Organique by Himalaya Toothpaste
Todd Christopher International, Inc/Vogue International: Hydrating Teatree Mint Conditioner


journeytonappy.blogspot.ca...

Miami Organic Food Supplier Busted For Mislabeling Veggies



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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You just did a bit of cheerleading for GMO foods a few posts back.

Serves you right if people caught a whiff of the b.s that you're peddling.


Which is fine. I like GMO foods, I eat GMO foods. I think genetically engineering is an extremely useful science that has great potential down the road.

But we can't discuss that. Because any rational discussion about GMO on this board does not exist. Either you make posts that suggest "the illuminati is killing us with GMOs and destroying the planet" or you don't say anything.

For the record I never laid any support to monsanto or the GMO lobby. I just can't handle anymore reactionary threads where everyone just falls in blindly to the status quo.

Oh, you got them mixed up? Not me. I always realized there was more than one...
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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
But you support the organic labels, so somehow you have great morals than me I suppose?

What is it with you and these assumed generalizations? Do you really think like this? And enough with the long-winded irrelevant quoting. Seriously, you write one sentence then add in 300 lines of irrelevant off-site content. If you can't formulate cohesive statements yourself, STFU.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by draco49

Originally posted by boncho
Okay, ill bite. Who's there seed suppliers.

List form please.



The seeds come from the same plants that grow the produce. These aren't GMO crops that don't produce seeds. I don't think I can give you a list of specific suppliers because I'm not involved in their business; I am a consumer. But I can tell you that farms and co-ops I buy from do not use GMO seed stocks. Ya done trolling yet?


So you don't know then. Okay, that's what I presumed and you answered exactly how I thought you would.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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But you support the organic labels, so somehow you have great morals than me I suppose?

No, I don't support organic "labels", I support organic food over GMO food. I am not saying we should get rid of GMO foods, but I am saying if we want to have them sold to us then we need to know what the hell we are buying so we can pick between GMO and organic foods... I am not against the freedom to buy GMO if you want, I am against the idea we can't know what we are buying, which is a lack of freedom.


Wal-Mart is required to shut some of its stores in Chongqing and to pay fines after some of its managers were charged with mislabeling regular pork as organic pork. Police detained some of the managers and have ordered the actions based on their findings.

And so how exactly is that relevant to this argument? They were labeling GMO pork as organic pork... and some how that is supposed to help your argument?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by boncho
So you don't know then. Okay, that's what I presumed and you answered exactly how I thought you would.


You're a funny little troll, so I'll play with you some more. Can you tell me who supplied the seeds for all the produce you eat? List form please.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by draco49

Originally posted by boncho
But you support the organic labels, so somehow you have great morals than me I suppose?

What is it with you and these assumed generalizations? Do you really think like this? And enough with the long-winded irrelevant quoting. Seriously, you write one sentence then add in 300 lines of irrelevant off-site content. If you can't formulate cohesive statements yourself, STFU.


What you quoted was in reply to the following quote said about me:


Seriously all you ever do is seem to support the god damn status quo with blind faith, so shut your mouth hypocrite... these GMO companies are evil insidious organizations that wont even let us know what we are putting into our bodies because they are scared our access to freely choose between organic and GMO will cause them a loss in profits... that's completely unethical and your support of such entities shows how corrupt your soul is.


I don't see a difference. Both groups are for profit and both lobby the government making their own rules. The organic industry is not just a small farm down the road, it's a billion dollar industry with all the same tactics as all the others.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:37 AM
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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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Don't change the subject, troll. Answer the question: Who supplies the seeds for all the produce you consume? Again, list form please.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by draco49

Originally posted by boncho
So you don't know then. Okay, that's what I presumed and you answered exactly how I thought you would.


You're a funny little troll, so I'll play with you some more. Can you tell me who supplied the seeds for all the produce you eat? List form please.


I never made the claim that I knew or cared to know. I would probably have tracked it down though if I was so concerned about my food as you and other people in this thread seem.

YOU SAID YOU KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM:



I buy fresh produce from local farms and produce co-ops. I know where it comes from, when it was harvested, and what is used in its production. I hardly consider that "blind" support. Go be a troll somewhere else.


I buy from my local farmers market too, but I never ask about their seed suppliers because I really could not care less.

By the way, there is a giant non-GMO seed industry, as farmers do buy seeds. I know, I was indirectly involved in it at one time.

But as you said, seed suppliers, you know where your food comes from...



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by draco49

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
No, I don't support organic "labels", I support organic food over GMO food. I am not saying we should get rid of GMO foods, but I am saying if we want to have them sold to us then we need to know what the hell we are buying so we can pick between GMO and organic foods... I am not against the freedom to buy GMO if you want, I am against the idea we can't know what we are buying, which is a lack of freedom.


boncho is just another insignificant troll. He obviously doesn't grasp the concept that what we're talking about is appropriate product labeling that would enable the consumer to make an informed decision. I suspect he's a fresh-outta-highschool dweeb who's gonna spend the summer in his mom's basement.


You've mainly just laid out personal attacks. If the organic industry does not adequately certify it's products, or have a dutiful inspection process, I could not care less about GMO having to label it's food.

Because if GMO labelled, but Organic was able to get away with improperly marketing their products, all you would end up with is mislabeled Organic.

Or you will see corruptive practices to simply hide the fact it's GMO.

At this point, it doesn't really bother me personally.

That's my opinion. You have yours.



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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:50 AM
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Enough with the personal attacks!

One more snide remark and that member will be post banned for at least 3 days. Could we not have a civil discussion about the most basic of topics?



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