Jordan: Syrian pilot defects in fighter jet.

Thats Strange You cannot cross borders with fighter plane “just like that”. You need to get permission so the other side will not soot you down. You also need to get permission to land somewhere. All this you need to get in advance.

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Or simply put Propaganda and i cant believe our ATS users are starting to believe it.

Propaganda works like wonders

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They are civillians armed with small arms, Assad is using artillery, armor, air power through a trained millitary.

From the most footages around in Homs tell me TinfoilTP


Why does Cameraman shut out God is Great? or more rather allahu akbar? and also from the video that i have posted here.

Tell me if the FSA are just civillians armed with small arms, how come they suddenly know where and when this supposed shelling is going to take place?

For example here are more videos.


Why shut out allahu akbar?

Propaganda sure has come a long ways since the Soviet cold war years.


www.csmonitor.com...

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Syrian fighter pilot defects to Jordan with his MiG-21 warplane (+video)
The pilot, identified as Col. Hassan Hammadeh, removed his air force tag and kneeled on the tarmac in prayer after landing his plane at King Hussein Air Base in Mafraq, Jordan, 45 miles (70 kilometers) north of Amman, a Jordanian security official said.

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So redneck13 care to explain whatever happened to the Libyan pilots? its 2012 now, still no interviews of them oh thats right they never even existed.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by redneck13

 

So redneck13 care to explain whatever happened to the Libyan pilots? its 2012 now, still no interviews of them

oh thats right they never even existed.

Defectors are never in the public, they are put into new identities to protect them from reprisals. For example, the Cold War era defectors were given new lives somewhere in Argentina or similar places.
Your argument that we don't see the defectors is actually proof they were real. If they were only story props they would not get hidden with all the expense it entails, they would continue to get paid to perpetuate the story at a much cheaper price.

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Why wouldn't they cry out an Islamic saying? They are Syrian, it is the most common saying in that part of the world.
Thanks for pointing out evidence that proves the rebels are who they say they are, Syrian civillians.

The straws you grasp at are really getting short.

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The only reason they defect is because those fighter jets are a good sale price now. So this really isn't news. Sryia air force has an Air Force of 70,000 personal.

Unlike the weak Libyan air force, which why it was easily defeated.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

The only reason they defect is because those fighter jets are a good sale price now. So this really isn't news. Sryia air force has an Air Force of 70,000 personal.

Unlike the weak Libyan air force, which why it was easily defeated.

So now you are claiming the pilot flew over to Jordan to make a cash sale?

Hahahahaha

It is an airforce that will last 10 seconds when the US goes for air superiority over Syria. Complete garbage just like the claims you are shoveling in here.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Why wouldn't they cry out an Islamic saying? They are Syrian, it is the most common saying in that part of the world.
Thanks for pointing out evidence that proves the rebels are who they say they are, Syrian civillians.

The straws you grasp at are really getting short.

You know TinfoilTP your straws you grasp at are also getting short including when you attacked Ron Paul, let me guess you support Romney?

Why wouldn't they cry out an Islamic saying?

Thanks for pointing out evidence that proves the rebels are who they say they are, Syrian civillians.

Nice try with a counter propaganda It clearly shows that you missed my whole point of my post in that post that i have posted.

It proves you have an agenda.

I was not pointing out that the rebels are Syrian civillians.

Care to explain this then?



Because no rebel supporter have so far came out into for explanation on those flags. I guess thats because they know that Al Qaeda is in Sryia helping them.

Have you seen this?

mosaicpress.org...

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by redneck13

 

So redneck13 care to explain whatever happened to the Libyan pilots? its 2012 now, still no interviews of them

oh thats right they never even existed.

Defectors are never in the public, they are put into new identities to protect them from reprisals. For example, the Cold War era defectors were given new lives somewhere in Argentina or similar places.
Your argument that we don't see the defectors is actually proof they were real. If they were only story props they would not get hidden with all the expense it entails, they would continue to get paid to perpetuate the story at a much cheaper price.

No, it is not proof at all! Read what you wrote and try again please...
They may or may not be real, this pilot in question may not have defected..
Show us how you know coldwar defectors are living in argentina, or somewhere?

I checked on a defector pilot from the cold war, Piotr (Peter) Pirogov, one of the first ( en.wikipedia.org...). He and another flew their plane to austria, and handed over to the AOA, and after getting to the US, he lived in the State of Virginia (um.. Thats not in Argentina??)until he died in 1987 and even wrote a book.. Under the name, Peter Pirogov about his defection.
home.earthlink.net...

Pretty bad cover/new life, no?

Originally posted by Nspekta

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by redneck13

 

So redneck13 care to explain whatever happened to the Libyan pilots? its 2012 now, still no interviews of them

oh thats right they never even existed.

Defectors are never in the public, they are put into new identities to protect them from reprisals. For example, the Cold War era defectors were given new lives somewhere in Argentina or similar places.
Your argument that we don't see the defectors is actually proof they were real. If they were only story props they would not get hidden with all the expense it entails, they would continue to get paid to perpetuate the story at a much cheaper price.

No, it is not proof at all! Read what you wrote and try again please...
They may or may not be real, this pilot in question may not have defected..
Show us how you know coldwar defectors are living in argentina, or somewhere?

I checked on a defector pilot from the cold war, Piotr (Peter) Pirogov, one of the first ( en.wikipedia.org...). He and another flew their plane to austria, and handed over to the AOA, and after getting to the US, he lived in the State of Virginia (um.. Thats not in Argentina??)until he died in 1987 and even wrote a book.. Under the name, Peter Pirogov about his defection.
home.earthlink.net...

Pretty bad cover/new life, no?

Read what I wrote and try again
"Propaganda sure has come a long ways since the Soviet cold war years."
How you think you can create what ever you believe I wrote from that is beyond me

Go read what I wrote again

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Read carefully.. That was a reply to TinfoilTP

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by redneck13

 

So redneck13 care to explain whatever happened to the Libyan pilots? its 2012 now, still no interviews of them

oh thats right they never even existed.

I guess if you never look for a interview you will
never see it. No end to the propaganda, next you will claim this is not the pilot but an actor appearing in his stead

NM,Already posted

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Ah CNN, the same CNN that interviewed that women who claimed she was raped by 15 men, and in which CNN never wanted to zoom in her where are her supposed scratches on her writs?

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


I see in the video “Al Qaeda’s women Choir”
You can see what we can guess as Syrian civilians in the background
If the Nazi party demonstrates in front of the white house it does not mean that we are Nazis
Looks like in the second video they got wise to the background and went indoors.
You are really on to something I think.

Vatican news agency Fides via Vatican Insider at credible Italian newspaper La Stampa.

06/ 9/2012
Syria’s ultimatum to Christians: “Leave Qusayr"

The message sent out by the military chief of the armed opposition has spread panic and lead to a Christian exodus

VATICAN INSIDER STAFF
ROME

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/world-news/detail/articolo/siria-syria-15868/

An exodus of Christians is taking place in Western Syria: the Christian population has fled the city of Qusayr, near Homs, following an ultimatum issued by the military chief of the armed opposition, Abdel Salam Harba.



This is what local sources told Vatican news agency Fides, pointing out that since the conflict broke out, only a thousand of the city’s ten thousand faithful, were left and they are now being forced to flee immediately. Some of the city’s mosques have issued the message again, announcing from the minarets: “Christians must leave Qusayr within six days, ending Friday.” The ultimatum therefore expired on 8 June and spread fear among the Christian population which had started to regain hope as a result of the presence of the Jesuit Fr. Paolo Dall’Oglio, who stopped off in Qusayr for a week to “pray and fast in the name of peace, right in the midst of conflict.”



The reasons for this ultimatum remain a mystery. Some say it is necessary in order to protect faithful from further suffering; other sources reveal “a continuity in discrimination and selective repression.” Others still claim that Christians have openly expressed their loyalty to the state and this is why the opposition army is chasing them away. Now Christian families in Qusayr have begun their exodus as displaced persons, towards the surrounding valleys and rural areas. Some have taken refuge in parents’ and friends’ homes in Damascus. Very few families have courageously decided to stay behind in their birth city but who knows what fate will meet. Fides sources have reiterated that groups of Salafi Islamic extremists within the armed opposition consider Christians as “infidels”; they confiscate their belongings, carry out mass executions and are ready to declare a “denominational war”.

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