Jet? UFO? Trail with no apparent source

This could be nothing, or something, but in any case, I'll just put up the order of events in this mysterious trail that I spotted around 6am EST over Signal Hill, NL, Canada.

I noticed that light was starting to creep up (4:20am local). The moon was visible between E to S. I leave my computer area and return five minutes later to what appears to be something free falling in the sky. Initially I thought a jet, so I got out my camera.


The first thing I noticed was that I could not find a source, and I had no heard any aircrafts. All I saw was a thick bulb at the end of the trail as seen below:


Some time passes and the trail spreads out as one would.


The Sun begins to creep up quick and the trail becomes illuminated.


Some more time passes, at this point its been at least 45-60 minutes since I first saw the trail.


An hour to an hour and a half passes and the Sun is up and the trail is still visible.


I'm curious as to what this could have been. I am interested in what others think of this. I'm not expecting it to be anything very strange, but I want to know where this object could have vanished to, and why the trail stuck around for as long as it did. Seemed off.

Looks like a regular nasty chemtrail.

I'd be more worried about what's in it as opposed to what made it - what is in it could have a greater impact on your life.

Look more like a meteor then a plane contrail
I see 3 to 4 a day here and I can always’s see the plane at the front of it

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Looks like a regular nasty chemtrail.

I'd be more worried about what's in it as opposed to what made it - what is in it could have a greater impact on your life.

Could be a chemtrail, though air traffic is at a minimum around that hour. The scatter flight coming in and out, but even so, we rarely get chemtrails over here. The last few I caught was around September of 2011 and it followed the normal flightpath from W-S to S-E that all flights usually take. This thing came straight down which threw me off.

With regards to UFOs, a friend I had been talking to all night was very alarmed when describing a blue orb that "crashed to Earth" as he described it, reiterating that his other friend who saw it with him was visibly shaken and questioning his life after he had seen it. Unrelated but I figure it's worth mentioning. I would have loved to have seen it.

something man made most probably. I think the exhaust is a dead giveaway.

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Originally posted by murkraz

..... I want to know where this object could have vanished to, and why the trail stuck around for as long as it did. Seemed off.

Chances are, it didn't 'vanish'.

Have you ever seen a plane flying, that did not leave a contrail?

There are different variables that create contrails, such as humidity, air temperature, and altitude. Sometimes the trails are visible. Sometimes they are not. As the plane continues on, conditions change.

Meteor coming through. Here's one from NZ's Stardome Obsevatory

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From your first pic it is hard to see the head/beginning of the trail - if you say you saw it better than the first picture and didn't see any object at the head of the trail I believe you - it was probably a meteor then.

I do believe in ET's and UFO's but I don't think their various crafts leave trails like this - if they are using propulsion it is clean propulsion tech, and many don't use any form of propulsion but just use mag/grav drives.

The images look to me like a simple contrail that spreads out over time.

The first image especially looks just like a normal ice crystal contrail. One possible reason for it just "ending" the way it does could be due to the plane leaving the trail flying into an area of the sky that is not as conducive to contrail creation.

This is very common with contrails; in fact a plane could fly into, then out of, then back into, and again back out of portions of the atmosphere with differing conditions relative to contrail production, creating an "intermittent" contrail -- or one that starts, stops, starts again, then stops again.

The one in this image is not as intermittent, but the same idea applies:
that is to say, it may be a contrail that ended because the plane making it flew into a warmer or less humid part of the sky.

Those photos are very interesting and don't look like a 'normal' con/chemtrail imo.

that's easy.... it's just common smoke from a camp fire ok

Originally posted by mojojojo
Those photos are very interesting and don't look like a 'normal' con/chemtrail imo.

Can you elaborate? What makes it NOT look like a contrail?

Originally posted by murkraz

The first thing I noticed was that I could not find a source, and I had no heard any aircrafts. All I saw was a thick bulb at the end of the trail as seen below:

Looks like a very ordinary airplane contrail to me. I see lots of them in Vancouver. It is not unusual for the contrail to suddenly end like that. My understanding is that this happens when the jet passes through an atmospheric transition where the contrail no longer forms.

Chemtrails? (not directed at the original post - just some of the follow up)

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by mojojojo
Those photos are very interesting and don't look like a 'normal' con/chemtrail imo.

Can you elaborate? What makes it NOT look like a contrail?

edit on 6/13/2012 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

Here is a primer for you:

Contrails are streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by jet airplanes at high altitudes. Contrails can exist in two forms: water droplet and ice crystal. Contrails typically become visible about a wingspans distance behind an aircraft flying at high altitude. The trail dissipates quite quickly, usually within a minute or so.

Chemtrails, on the other hand, are visible directly behind an aircraft, with little or no gap between the aircraft and the start of the trail. Chemtrails are said to vary from Contrails in their length of persistence. Chemtrails do not dissipate quickly; they tend to form into mushy clouds which can block sunlight.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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This part...

...The trail dissipates quite quickly, usually within a minute or so.

...is false, and is just an urban myth created out of ignorance of the facts.


Contrails are just like clouds -- and clouds can persist for hours. So why wouldn't a contrail?

Contrails can in fact persist for hours at a time. Persistent contrails have been a reality since the beginnings of high-altitude flight. World War II bombers made persistent contrails that lasted for hours.
WW II Contrail Images

I don't want to get into a contrail vs chemtrail battle on this thread. There are plenty of other threads devoted to this.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

This part...

...The trail dissipates quite quickly, usually within a minute or so.

...is false, and is just an urban myth created out of ignorance of the facts.


Contrails are just like clouds -- and clouds can persist for hours. So why wouldn't a contrail?

Contrails can in fact persist for hours at a time. Persistent contrails have been a reality since the beginnings of high-altitude flight. World War II bombers made persistent contrails that lasted for hours.
WW II Contrail Images

I don't want to get into a contrail vs chemtrail battle on this thread. There are plenty of other threads devoted to this.

In almost all the WWII contrail pics you link to, you can still see the planes that made them - obviously falling within the time frame in which most people agree real contrails exist. How would you think this disproves chemtrails? Anyway, you're right, this is getting off topic and there are other threads that document the truth of chemtrails well enough.

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First of all, there are images included in that search in which the planes leaving the trail are not seen in the image.

Secondly, explain the science behind the reasons supporting your claim that contrails always disappear after a few minutes.

I grew up in a rural area in the 1970s, and I remember the TV farm report talked about studies done that discuss how the jet-age is causing additional clouds in the skies due to contrails persisting and spreading into a haze.

The false idea that contrails always disappear quickly is a bit of misinformation (or disinformation) that came out of the mid-1990s from people trying to sell (literally) the myth that persistent contrails are chemtrails. Contrails that last for hours and spread out to create a cloud cover is an often-researched issue, such as this paper by atmospheric researcher Robert Knollenberg written in 1972 in which he discusses contrails spreading out like cirrus clouds, and creating an overcast.

Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
(This links directly to a PDF file)

Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
R.G. Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 29, Issue 7 (October 1972)

Excerpt:

“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE


In almost all the WWII contrail pics you link to, you can still see the planes that made them......

The planes were much slower back then.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I don't want to get into a contrail vs chemtrail battle on this thread. There are plenty of other threads devoted to this.

Why don't you follow your own advice..........

Hey OP, you need to look up more often. About 95% of the aeroplane trails I see have no planes in the picture. If you know what I mean.

But I do see why you're suspicious. Sometimes I look up and the sky is full of trails, i.e. the ones that chemtrailers complain about. (My complaint is that it's a flipping mess up there and by lunchtime there's no blue sky left to look at.)

Back to my point, a lot of the time these are trails that you spot long after the plane has vanished. I've looked up at an empty blue sky many times, then looked up again half an hour later and it's full of lines, and I've said to myself - where was the plane that did that? The answer as I said already is that the plane has moved on and left the trail behind it and sometimes also the trails have actually fallen from much higher, i.e. from a height where the plane would be a mere dot, invisible, or if hit by the sun a tiny silver ball.