reply to post by albertabound and WalterRatlos
I think you could have made a more impressive beginning, but welcome to the discussion anyway.
This is a text book example of thorough and utter brainwashing.
C'mon, we're trying to be serious here.
recorded evidence that Jesus is a melting pot of older Myths,
That's rather the point, isn't it. From the start the question has been "Is
there any recorded evidence that Jesus is a melting pot of older myths?" So far, none has been presented. The discussion so far has been to
establish the weakness of the evidence backing the traditional view. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, but no one is claiming that the
evidence for the Gospels is 100% laboratory perfect.
and Christians still say "NOPE. NOPE IT'S NOT TRUE!! IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE".
Some Christians may say that, I don't know. But we
haven't said it here.
I'm sorry. You have been duped by the Roman Imperial Church.
Ok, show us some evidence other than just your assertion. We'd be
happy to discuss it.
A Church that, at the highest levels, promotes and participates in Pedophilia.
There was a sex scandal, true.
It is not properly called pedophilia, it was much more often between a man and a boy who had attained puberty. It is not part of Christian teachings.
It was not more common among American priests than among American society at large and has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
A Church whose "scripture" endorses child and animal sacrifice, and many other Pagan values,
So far we've been talking about the New
Testament and Jesus. Child sacrifice in the New Testament? Where?
and most likely practices them behind closed doors.
I do understand that some people have a great hatred for the Church and Christianity. Fine, that's your call, but it's not what we're discussing
and has nothing to do with thread OP.
The part of your post that intrigued me was the "someone presents recorded evidence . . ." That's what I'm hoping to see. Here, let me give you
an example. Someone in the thread mentioned Yggdrasil and said that Christianity took the crucifixion from the story of a Norse god hanging himself
from a tree for nine days then coming down enlightened. That seems like a long way from the crucifixion, but I turned to "Norse Mythology" in our
good friend, Wiki. Here's part of what it had to say:
An important note in interpreting this mythology is that often the closest accounts that
scholars have to "pre-contact" times were written by Christians. The Younger Edda and the Heimskringla were written by Snorri Sturluson in the 13th
century, over two hundred years after Iceland became Christianized. This results in Snorri's works carrying a large amount of Euhemerism. www.ask.com...
Virtually all of the saga literature came out of Iceland, a relatively small and remote island, and even in the climate of religious tolerance there,
Snorri was guided by an essentially Christian viewpoint. The Heimskringla provides some interesting insights into this issue. Snorri introduces Odin
as a mortal warlord in Asia who acquires magical powers, settles in Sweden, and becomes a demi-god following his death. Having undercut Odin's
divinity, Snorri then provides the story of a pact of Swedish King Aun with Odin to prolong his life by sacrificing his sons. Later in the
Heimskringla, Snorri records in detail how converts to Christianity such as Saint Olaf Haraldsson brutally converted Scandinavians to Christianity.
It seems very unlikely that Christianity got the Crucifixion story from the Norse for these
reasons, but also how did these Jewish middle-class workers get to talk to a Viking at length about his mythology?
If you'd like to present some of this "recorded evidence" we'd be delighted to look at it. My problem right now is that the best I've heard so
far is "If you look through all the myths and gods you'll be able to pick, here and there, bits of events that are almost similar to the Jesus
stories." Please do better than that. Don't say that such and such a god was born December 25th, so that's a similarity. Even if he was,
there's nothing in the Bible that says Jesus was. Don't say, such and such did a miraculous thing, what God doesn't? If it was the same miracle,
Anyway, glad to have you. Chime in when you feel like it.