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Originally posted by Gazrok
Uhmm...I never said I believed the account...just that he was remembering accurately...hehe... It's obvious you think that the US duct taping hands and mouths is far less humane than Saddam slowly dipping them in an acid vat, so can't we just agree to disagree?
Originally posted by Toltec
Incredible that "Info" has not responded to my queries.
Do you have any idea what the long term effects are of such treatment?
How can you ignore a social problem which results in people looking to place blame on someone for there lives?
Who are they (the tortured and there families) in general blaming?
Do you feel personally this behavior (as in last question with respect to "they") is permissible?
"Info" do you not care for those people who were killed?
Originally posted by Toltec
You are afraid of me because of what is clear, my questions with respect to my first post to you were clear. They are in fact still available for your review, repeating them makes little sense.
It is said that what does not kill you will make you stronger, I have no intention of killing you "Info" so keep this in mind.
I understand you seem to feel that things could have been handled differently. But is it your family members that are being tortured, are your sisters and brothers being raped? Are any of your relatives buried in an unmarked grave in Badgered or in any other city of Iraq?
If any of this is true why are you preoccupied with what American soldiers are doing? They have not killed anyone for politics they have not raped anyone and no one has been tortured like what has been clearly done to most Iraqi's every day.
Sure people got away, we have Iraqis in the US who got away. Many of them suffered the same treatment that those who stayed received. Have you ever tried to get away from someone who is harming you? Have you ever tried to get away from someone like that? I will personally say a prayer for you that you are never in such a situation for if you are you will learn fist hand, what it is like.
What exactly is worst, than someone who tortures you to death? Especially when you are innocent and have no answers the Man[b/] wants.
You feel that war is this circumstance is unnecessary but had that been the decision. The torture, rape and murders would have continued (and no one would have known they were happening with exception of those it was happening to, thanks to the UN and by the way as well as).
In this country if you disagree with what your government sees as appropriate, you post your impression on a public forum. In those[b/] Countries you are mutilated tortured and eventually killed for expressing the same basic thoughts.
If you fear me, then to be honest you have no idea what fear is. It apparent that to you fear is something you see in movies and paid with that credit card you got with your summer job. To other people, what you see in the movies is part of there day to day life. The only thing that is missing is the special effects and the fictional story.
The point being this, if you want to meet Freddie Crugar or the guy from the Holoween series, travel to an Arab country and complain about what you see. If you really give them a hard time then perhaps what is apparent in the Hell Raiser series will become a part of your life. Keep this in mind ï¿½Info ï¿½ to me this is not a joke but to be honest the fact you claim you are afraid of me sure is.
What are your thoughts?
The two men, both Afghans, died last December at the US forces base in Bagram, north of Kabul, where prisoners have been held for questioning. The autopsies found they had suffered "blunt force injuries" and classified both deaths as homicides.
A spokesman for the Pentagon said yesterday it was not possible to discuss the details of the case because of the proceeding investigation. If the investigation finds that the prisoners had been unlawfully killed during interrogation, it could lead to both civil and military prosecutions. He added that it was not clear whether only US personnel had had access to the men.