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Originally posted by mysterioustranger
reply to post by Rosha
Im sorry you somehow got that from 1 post. Ive posted many others here above as I work with Muslim women and did so Memorial Day. I exhibited my support for our freedom by being one of the Parade Marshalls in honor of our troops and their service to our country and its freedoms.
And what did you do on Memorial Day to support the memory of those who gave their lives? Think about it.
Thanks...and...Peace to youedit on 06-10-2010 by mysterioustranger because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Rosha
Originally posted by redneck13
What a crock, now is time for a total ban on the burka now. Open face society we have nothing to hide, do we?
those people will be required to obeyedit on 29-5-2012 by redneck13 because: m
I know might be very hard to hear redneck...but people..other human beings... have the inherent right to choose what they will wear and when and how they will wear it. You are not God you are not ' the boss of them'. They don't need YOUR permission to make their choices. You have no rights 'over' them and if YOU have a problem with them then its YOUR problem..so go deal with it..don't expect the world to pander to you or to change itself for you or to appease your over-weaned need for blanket security.
Mature..grow up..get over it.live well 'anyway'..or not..it really is your choice. Either way..people will continue to wear what they like..as they should be able to given they are adult human beings and equal under law...and there's dick squat you can do about it.
You'd have the burqa/niqab equivalent of a yellow star on her lapel if you and poet had your way and that is sickening to me after what the world has already been taught about the end result of such views....but the amount of f*ck that will be given by me today about your views is so small..its hardly worthy the effort to type this...I don't have to live with them...and I am not bound by them.
Thankfully..while law exists..neither does this woman.
Rosha
Originally posted by Garfee
Rosha, please forgive my ignorance if you have explained your position in another post.
Are you suggesting the women who accused a police officer of some terrible things should not be made to show her face in certain situations?
Again, if I've missed a post somewhere on this site, you'll forgive me for it as I wouldn't know even the first place to look.
Originally posted by mysterioustranger
reply to post by Rosha
Hello Rosha. Im in agreement with all your points. Let me say this:
In America, we are a country of freedom and laws. One day...its going to be those very freedoms that will trip us up when we arent looking.
We of course allow this...we allow that...we accept this...we deny that. We have rights to allow this thing and that thing and have religious freedoms to believe...or not to believe..in any God, thing or no God.
And this all is where it get rocky.
Im afraid it'll come to the day that those very rights to wear whatever and do whatever and own whatever and use whatever from everyone in this country...visiting this country, studying in this country etc....like the failure to properly identify by concealment of say the face (whats next? a religious or moral denial of taking one's fingerprints?)......may come back on us and destoy us, our freedoms and the right to worship however you want.
Simply put...regarding this thread...I think we are afraid one day there will be 50-1000 people dressed in full concealment attire at some place or event...that we accpt as women initially...all of a sudden throw off their garb to find either heavily armed men...or women with bombs strapped to their chests.
Is that predjudiced? It is. Is it a basic denial of individual rights? It is. Is it a discrimination against a specific nationality or beleif system? It is.
But in this day and age....until we have something better, is it absolutely necessary to continue to demand proper identification somehow and someway for the safety of other?
It is.
Thanks Rosha. Still friends?
Peace.......
Originally posted by HoppedUp
I remember a few instances when I was deployed to Iraq and was granted R&R liberties, certain places we went, namely off base shopping centers in Dubai or Kuwait, we female troops were advised to take a black shawl to drape around our heads. I found it humiliating, honestly. If wearing this is how this woman was brought up and she felt what I felt in reverse, then I empathize with her right. However, I believe these requiem of Islam upon women are extremely sexist and degrading not only to women, but men as well. Are they suggesting that the image of a woman's face or body in normal attire is so stimulating that these men cannot control themselves from violating them? I don't want to sound daft here, but seriously, that was one of the suckier things about being "over there"...and back on the FOB, working with the Hajji contractors, not being taken seriously as a woman until I literally yelled at them and made certain gestures. Sigh...
Originally posted by HoppedUp
I remember a few instances when I was deployed to Iraq and was granted R&R liberties, certain places we went, namely off base shopping centers in Dubai or Kuwait, we female troops were advised to take a black shawl to drape around our heads. I found it humiliating, honestly. If wearing this is how this woman was brought up and she felt what I felt in reverse, then I empathize with her right. However, I believe these requiem of Islam upon women are extremely sexist and degrading not only to women, but men as well. Are they suggesting that the image of a woman's face or body in normal attire is so stimulating that these men cannot control themselves from violating them? I don't want to sound daft here, but seriously, that was one of the suckier things about being "over there"...and back on the FOB, working with the Hajji contractors, not being taken seriously as a woman until I literally yelled at them and made certain gestures. Sigh...
Originally posted by HoppedUp
reply to post by Rosha
The rules governing head coverings and face masks/full face veils are usually posted outside certain public venues like (larger) shopping centers and of course, landmark buildings frequented by tourists and visitors and banks have signs that request people not wear masks or carry wallet chains and such (things that cane be used as weapons or to conceal weapons). Private companies like malls, have every right to create and enforce a dress code for patrons. But out and about, no, there is no federal or even municipal laws that I am aware of that states these women (or men) can't wear their religious dress. It's amazing that we allow most anything here, but over there, it's a whole 'nother ballgame. It's 2012, it's high time our fellow humans in the ME and elsewhere certain beliefs have spread to get a dose of tolerance. That's just my stinky little opinion of course...
And no one can make me trust them. I don't even trust my family members that have converted to Islam. I will never trust them. It's hard for me to have faith in a fellow human that willfully follows backwardsness, though I respect their right to it. And no one will ever hear me say what I have just said here IRL unless they ask my thoughts.