Originally posted by mysterioustranger
reply to post by Rosha
Hello Rosha. Im in agreement with all your points. Let me say this:
In America, we are a country of freedom and laws. One day...its going to be those very freedoms that will trip us up when we arent looking.
We of course allow this...we allow that...we accept this...we deny that. We have rights to allow this thing and that thing and have religious freedoms
to believe...or not to believe..in any God, thing or no God.
And this all is where it get rocky.
Im afraid it'll come to the day that those very rights to wear whatever and do whatever and own whatever and use whatever from everyone in this
country...visiting this country, studying in this country etc....like the failure to properly identify by concealment of say the face (whats next? a
religious or moral denial of taking one's fingerprints?)......may come back on us and destoy us, our freedoms and the right to worship however you
Simply put...regarding this thread...I think we are afraid one day there will be 50-1000 people dressed in full concealment attire at some place or
event...that we accpt as women initially...all of a sudden throw off their garb to find either heavily armed men...or women with bombs strapped to
Is that predjudiced? It is. Is it a basic denial of individual rights? It is. Is it a discrimination against a specific nationality or beleif system?
But in this day and age....until we have something better, is it absolutely necessary to continue to demand proper identification somehow and someway
for the safety of other?
Thanks Rosha. Still friends?
Everything Ive written here hasn't been about judging. I hope that isn't what came across.
I do know terror. I know fear too...its biological, psychological and spiritual processes. I 'get it'. I know what it does to us humans subtly and
at its extreme...I know its strength and eroding capacity..the doubt it leaves as debris..the suspicion it brings to every level of being. I wouldn't
and wont judge anyone for their reactions to it. My own were 'unpretty' to say the least. While I cant condone actions that cause harm..I can
comprehend, and so..forgive, or at lest veil in sufficient context to retain reason and humanity when it comes to working with others coping with
It is with that experience of terror and fear and their effect and
the affect of overcoming both though, that my understanding of what fear
ISN'T came to be born and empowered inside me.
What I have learned via those experiences and through having been blessed with time for reflection on them, is that Fear is a function, a tool. Not a
platform. Fear is a force. Not a power.
As human beings we are capable of choice. Choice, is a power. Force..cannot dissolve power unaided.
This is why Love, a force, so easily disappears when Will, a power, is born inside people.
I know from my own experiences with terror, that even in the midst of the worst fear driven psychosis or biological terror state..choice exists. Fear,
as much as we fear it might or wish it would, cannot remove our power of choice unless we ourselves allow it to...unless we give it permission and aid
to usurp our will.
Very very few things in this world have the ability to usurp the power of choice and will...and these things, the processes needed to achieve this,
must be enacted upon a being, at such extreme youth and be compounded by constant reinforcement if they are to last for any real length of time.
So much force is required to usurp these powers, that those who would engage in this kind of oppression, have to have the stamina to out run their own
fear and its force, in order to keep pace. I know this..only because they tried just that with me..to usurp my will..but they are not God...and so,
being human, they failed...and my will and my choice..returned to their rightful places..if only eventually.
To embrace your view, to me, to support it as an excuse for action taken against freedom, would be to place fear and terror, above God, place it above
that innate power of capacity to choose I at least, hold was given by God to me, but is at least, sans that view, a gift and curse of being a human
being. It would to me, be akin to to empowering oppression. And I do choose very carefully these days, what I empower.
To me, to allow fear this victory, even once, is at best a waste, an opportunity lost even if the reward of facing it is only the overcoming of
it...nothing else. At worse..it is an appeasement a compromise between slavery and freedom that is, like denial, a short term coping mechanism. At its
catastrophic depth, to give into fear, is nothing less than a defeat of soul...a choice to relinquish my human rights and my obligations. A choice I
am held to account for...if only within myself..regardless of external pressures.
So if fear dictates my freedom, then choice is already in peril and in peril, freedom can quickly become a paperweight or a dispensable attribute,
something to aspire to, a premise rather than a reality. It quickly has no worth beyond a cushion of comfort or an ideology to hide behind, one that
can ever be fully realized, like honor, justice, faith have become today for many.
Yet I have realized freedom, I have also lost it many times. I know it exists..'for real'..'for certain' as an achievable state of being and being
greedy, wanting more of its sensation, its empowering presence in my life, I would rather let go of fear when it arrives and continue to work on those
issues that impede me from maintaining my inherent freedom, than to give victory to fear and abandon that journey as worthless or too hard and so, to
allow myself to become too flexible, too permissive, ineffective...to give up that good fight, for what would be a temporary illusion of safety or an
all too tempting regression into primality.
Free, to me, is like being peaceful, isn't something you can fight for..you have to 'be it'...which is why I keep loosing it as I am prone to self
When I eventually do rest..when I do achieve that state of being free as a constant - if indeed it is even meant to be one- I want that rest and that
freedom to be earned...to be solid, authentic and honest. So I will say thank you, but no thanks, to any other offers to relinquish that obligation
to myself, and will continue to ask myself
"what am I fearing" and so start the process of change if it is needed there first, where I can be effective...rather than pointing a finger out there
and in fear of possibility, of what 'might' happen, try to change what I cant and don't have the power to - the choices and actions others.
As I already know I am not God...this decision for me on where to start being free, is simple today and in that comprehension of what freedom is - and
isn't - I know I don't need to fear others, or even their actions against my person, as I know already, that only I can empower the force and powers
within me, that can remove freedom from me, only my will, or Gods can take it away or uphold it.
In this way freedom, to me, is not about what other do or might do...it is about how and who I am..when they do it.
What I found I needed to identify as a priority, if I really wished to preserve and protect my freedoms and to be free, was my own force of fear and
power of choice. As that force of fear and the power to overcome it - choice- doesn't exist within the boundaries of the visible face of another, they
exist in anonymity, faceless, within me.
ymmv of course.....and yes of course we are friends....no question there..I don't need to agree with you to be a friend to or with you, in fact I'd
rather not agree..much more interesting that way...
edit on 31-5-2012 by Rosha because: edited too many times to say where all changes are.....sorry!