Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by thebtheb
Fact: FDA admits that polio was erradicated in North America and came back in the 80s because of the nasal vaccine that was introduced.
Fact: There are several documented studies showing outbreaks of many diseases among large groups of children who had been vaccinated against them,
including adults getting small pox who had been vaccinated.
Fact: 45,000 people in India have a worse form of polio because of the polio vaccination program.
Strong evidence: That people vaccinated with polio produce a variant of polio.
Fact: (I can provide charts like you did), 36,000 people do NOT die of the flu annually. The number is roughly 1000 every year.
16-5-2012 by thebtheb because: (no reason given)
Care to cite any of these claims? As you stated, I cited mine, the least you can do is drop some for me.
Finally, what I meant for the 1000, not 36,000 is that by their own terminology, roughly 1000 people die from the FLU alone. The other 35,000 people
have deaths from developing pneumonia along with the flu. This to me, is just not a real statistic. 36,000 die from the flu is enhanced data. So the
CDC or the WHO already have that statistic I believe.
Anyway, now I just think it's really none of my frigging business to have this debate with you. You seem like an intelligent person and hopefully I
don't come across like a total idiot. I don't want to try to instill fear in anyone. If you're happy with your decision, and I'm happy with mine,
why are we bothering? I'm beginning to get on my own nerves now.
While the nine year old girl thing I posted is not something I would consider the kind of citation I'm talking about, it's certainly documented. Yet
you say "how do we know this child had this condition?" If that's the logic you use to dismiss that, I don't have hope that anything I cite will
be of any help here.
But - okay. First I should say, a LOT of the information that's convinced me I no longer can find. I do tend to remember which ones were just told,
as in no citations, and which ones were studies, in medical journals, etc. So that's why I differentiated between FACT and "strong evidence."
However, some of my conviction has also come from my own observations of correlations. This means I will read something about evidence of say
neurological damage, but no proof, no studies, etc. And then I'll read an actual medical citation, studies, acknowledgments etc. that shows a
definite conclusion that about certain vaccine ingredients having produced neurological symptoms. And so I will in my mind correlate the studies.
So here's this one. I have heard of medical studies and continuing research that vaccines cause autoimmune problems. Some (not all) have cited
studies and conclusions, and I have not verified all of them. But here's a detailed study they did on dogs that would add credulity to the autoimmune
connection with vaccines. I remember reading about a study that correlated the tetanus vaccine having this problem. The problem was that if someone
had too many in a row, they had all these antibodies with nothing to attack, which is their job. So they would start attacking cells or organs in the
person that looked similar to what they were designed to attack. Can I find that study now? No. But this dog one is pretty interesting. The result of
it was that the guidelines for vaccinating pets were changed, but few vets want to observe it. Who could blame them? If someone's pet gets
Now what I find much more upsetting actually is this site where people share their experiences about the H1N1 vaccine.And this is just one round of
one vaccine in 2009/2010 and only in Ontario Canada. The sheer amount of people and some of what some of them has to say gives me the chills. Some of
their symptoms are so similar, I use my own logic here and don't need "proof." They can't all be lying.
The reason I don't trust the world health organization is that they are funded by the Rothschilds, have huge connections to pharma and classified as
a private organization. What is there to trust?
Next, since the media is so important in all this, this is why I don't trust them: A woman dies two days after receiving the H1N1 vaccine, of H1N1.
And then the CTV news calls the article "Woman dies from complications due to H1N1 virus." Yeah, in the shot!