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Biblical Authorship: Absence of the Authors

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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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Mark is Peter's gospel. John Mark wrote it for him as an amanuensis. Silvanus was another of Peter's ready writers.




posted on May, 11 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
1. The ELS codes in the Bible are clustered around the plain-text verses.
Not sure what that means.


I liked a video.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I liked a video.
I liked lots of videos. What's your point?
Are you talking about the one you posted? If so, I watched it. What I am asking is, what do you mean by 'plain text verses' and what does that matter?
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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Sorry, that was a typo. And it matters all the difference. Any random words can be found in any large body of twxt. But what sets the ELS codes apart is the words cluster around the plain-text verses. In Moby Dick for example they are random.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Sorry, that was a typo. And it matters all the difference. Any random words can be found in any large body of twxt. But what sets the ELS codes apart is the words cluster around the plain-text verses. In Moby Dick for example they are random.
I still don't know what you mean by plain text verses. Can you give an example of what you're talking about?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Sorry, that was a typo. And it matters all the difference. Any random words can be found in any large body of twxt. But what sets the ELS codes apart is the words cluster around the plain-text verses. In Moby Dick for example they are random.
I still don't know what you mean by plain text verses. Can you give an example of what you're talking about?


Okay, all the crucifixion codes clustered around the 12 verses of Isaiah 53 (crucifixion of Christ). Hitler, Holocaust, and the names of several of the concentration camps are clustered around 6 verses in Deuteronomy 10 (Israel being nearly destroyed in a foreign land/Egypt).


Signature of God. (Full Book)





Heptadic structure:






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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by autowrench
No, I think it was "War and Peace" they Navy guys did it with. The coding is not an exact science by any means. Hydroman, I like your style, you should have been a psychologist, or a detective.
Or porn star.

I provided a link showing that they did it with Moby Dick.

Well, in any case, I read the "Bible Code" book, watched the TV History Channel program on it, and was not impressed. And the original test the coders used was the Torah, 24 letters and corresponding numbers arranged in a square.

How It Is Done

The arrival of the personal computer, along with the development of advanced software, has presumably enabled Bible codes to be retrieved. They are deciphered through an encryption method called Equidistant Letter Sequencing (ELS). In this method, the spaces and punctuation between words are ignored; only letters are counted. This software treats the entire Hebrew Bible as one long string of letters without spaces, hunting for embedded words.

The program arranges this long line of 304,805 letters, which make up the Torah, into an infinite number of computer configurations. It then searches for a predetermined set of words. Starting with sequences of 1, 2, 3, 4, up to 10, then 20 to 50 letters, etc., code words are found by utilizing a consistent number of skips.

For instance, if someone wanted to embed a message that translated into BLUE SHOE, it might look something like this: Brown Lunch Units Exist; SearcH our hOme to Enter

Counting letters only, the message is decrypted by using every fifth letter. Using this method, letter skips can involve hundreds, even thousands. After a name or phrase is found, the letters encoding the words are arranged so the phrase becomes visible. Then, other words of related meaning are sought. These are described with complex statistics to “prove” they are not presented by random chance.
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It did sell a lot of books!



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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Would that have anything to do with premonition?

Yes, that is exactly what it is. My wife has this to a degree that is uncanny, and I myself have pre-cognitive dreams. Our 10 year old can sometimes read our minds, we find it hard to keep a secret from him. Everyone is slowly waking up.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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My problem with the ELS codes, as presented in (for instance) in Drosnin's books, is that the information agrees with "consensus reality," many aspects of which my own research indicates as false. I'm sure many ATS members would come to the same conclusion. On the other hand, some of the information is almost beyond scary, and for sure, amazing.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Okay, all the crucifixion codes clustered around the 12 verses of Isaiah 53 (crucifixion of Christ). Hitler, Holocaust, and the names of several of the concentration camps are clustered around 6 verses in Deuteronomy 10 (Israel being nearly destroyed in a foreign land/Egypt).
Thanks for explaining.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Mark is Peter's gospel. John Mark wrote it for him as an amanuensis. Silvanus was another of Peter's ready writers.

Saint Peter:

Since these writers of the New Testament were descendants of the deliverers of the 'first fruit' (Judaism), they felt that they had the right to make a new religion if they felt like it. In this joke, Proculus Piso refers to the New Testament as 'the lump' ('Phurama', 'lump', 'a mass of mixed things').

"And upon this rock (Peter) I shall build my church."

(Matt. 16:18)

'Rock' is 'Petros' (Peter). In the next verse 'Jesus' (Arrius Piso) gives the keys to heaven to Saint Peter.
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Simon Magus (Simon, the Magician), is said to be St. Peter by some Early Church Scribes. Curious about old Pete too, check this:
(Jesus talking here)
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
(Matthew 16:19)
Jesus offers Peter the keys to Heaven, right? Then why, just a few verses later, does Jesus call Peter Satan?

"But he turned , and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." (Matthew 16:23 KJV)

You can certainly see the hands of a jokester in these pages, if you read it throughly enough.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Simon Magus is rebuked by Peter in Acts for thinking he could buy the Holy Spirit.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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The very first page of any King James Bible pays homage to King James, stating that the Bible was "diligently compared and revised by His Majesty's special command." At least that is what my copy says.
How many Christians have actually read that first title page and realize what this means? What was King James' "special command?" Was it Francis Bacon and his secret scholars/scribes? We may never know for certain. We do know that after the first five Books of the Bible, The Pentateuch, the organization of the Bible ceases to be chronological.
It was organized that way by King James' and his minions who decided it will be that way, and ordered it so.

In the standard KJV Bible words shown in italics were added by King James "translators" (Bacon, Dee, and Co.) to compensate for missing fragments, or to "clarify' meaning."

“Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true.”
(Francis Bacon)

“If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.”
(Francis Bacon)

“Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted ...but to weigh and consider.”
(Francis Bacon)

“Truth is so hard to tell, it sometimes needs fiction to make it plausible.”
(Francis Bacon)

“Knowledge is power.”
(Francis Bacon)



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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I have a Hebrew and Greek keyword study Bible, executive editor is Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D. it's a 2nd revised edition from 2008. Other revisions were in 1990, and 1984.

This isn't 1611 anymore, and scholars have the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to reference.



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