The Greenbay Packer's Prove That Socialism Works.

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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Most people say that Socialism has never worked. This might be true but only because no Nation has ever given Socialism a real try. The Greenbay Packers are a socialist success story. The NFL team is owned by the public and is a non-profit set up.


In 1923, the Packers were just another hardscrabble team on the brink of bankruptcy. Rather than fold, they decided to sell shares to the community, with fans each throwing down a couple of dollars to keep the team afloat. That humble frozen seed has since blossomed into a situation wherein more than a hundred thousand stockholders own more than 4 million shares of a perennial playoff contender.

socialistworker.org...

The Socialist Packers are still going strong. I bet when they started selling those shares to fans people were calling them commies and saying that the owner/fans will become greedy and corrupt because thats what happened in Russia. I bet people told them socialism works fine until you run out of other peoples money. If George Soros was around people would have said that he bought a heap of shares and that the Packers were just a front for moveon. But all those people were McCarthyist alarmists. They were wrong. Socialism worked. The Greenbay Packers showed us that socialism works. And they showed that socialism works in America.
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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Well maybe you should read this before trying to say the Green Bay Packers are socialists...

en.wikipedia.org...

Public company does not equal socialism. Also they aren't non-profit. Sorry.
edit on 8-5-2012 by thesungod because: You posted something.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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I agree socialism has never really been tried.

Also. GO PACK GO!


*waves her banner with pride*



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I hardly ever agree with your positions, Germanicus, but I do admire your passion, friend.

But my own opinion is that the Packers( or the Patriots, I would say, lol) are more an example of social darwinism than socialism.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by BigBlackDog
I hardly ever agree with your positions, Germanicus, but I do admire your passion, friend.

But my own opinion is that the Packers( or the Patriots, I would say, lol) are more an example of social darwinism than socialism.


You will come around in the end droog.

But yeah, the Socialist Packers are not really socialist. Way more Socialist than Obama though



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Funny you should say that Obama isn't a socialist...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by thesungod
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Well maybe you should read this before trying to say the Green Bay Packers are socialists...

en.wikipedia.org...

Public company does not equal socialism. Also they aren't non-profit. Sorry.
edit on 8-5-2012 by thesungod because: You posted something.





The Packers are the only non-profit, community-owned major league professional sports team in the United States.

en.wikipedia.org...

They are socialist of sorts. More socialist than Obamacare.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Okay, Mark Murphy for President and put his board of directors in D.C. That should fix all our problems.

I enjoy talking about Football........but please don't ever mix politics and Football again. It's kind of..........wrong somehow. I get what you're trying to get at here and it would make for an interesting conversation. For some people. Now business and Football......I'll go there.

Just a tid-bit of information for those who might care though.

The population of Green Bay is 104,057. As of 2010.

There are a total 112, 205 stockholders.

Makes you wonder if every adult in that town has at least 1 share of stock in the team.





posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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I think that calling Obama a socialist is the new clever thing to parrot but its untrue. Obama is a corporatist and crony capitalist. He is no socialist.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Germy:


My point is the level of competition that goes into the NFL is based on pure merit and personal worth or value of the individual player: it is survival of the fittest. A pure meritocracy in reality.

Hardly socialist at all. In fact, sort of the antithesis of socialism.

I see the point you are trying to make, but the analogy really misses the mark, IMO.


(btw, what the hell is a 'droog'? Some sort of SWP insult?, lol)
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posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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also, I have to say...

should not this be place in BTS


its not a conspiracy, its sports talk



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Since when does a citizen buying stock in a company make it a socialist success story. If that is the case any publicly held company is socialist.

I thought socialism was when the government owned the company?

Anyway, nice try - got to give it to the socialists; they are persistent.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Its in Social Issues and Civil Unrest. The rise of socialism is a social issue.

And I am hardly talking about "sports". The topic is socialism.

So mods,if you move this,even to 'Political Idealogies',I disagree. The thread is fine where it is. You could call it a rant maybe but isnt everything?

And ripcontrol,isnt your post off topic?



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by BigBlackDog
Germy:


My point is the level of competition that goes into the NFL is based on pure merit and personal worth or value of the individual player: it is survival of the fittest. A pure meritocracy in reality.

Hardly socialist at all. In fact, sort of the antithesis of socialism.

I see the point you are trying to make, but the analogy really misses the mark, IMO.


(btw, what the hell is a 'droog'? Some sort of SWP insult?, lol)
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Droog is nadsat. Its not an insult.

And Im not talking about the NFL. I am talking about the Greenbay Packers. But many Pro-Sports have socialist idea's. Like a 'salary cap' for example. A salary cap is important to ensure things are fair. The way draft picks are decided tries to ensure things are fair.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Golf66
Since when does a citizen buying stock in a company make it a socialist success story. If that is the case any publicly held company is socialist.

I thought socialism was when the government owned the company?

Anyway, nice try - got to give it to the socialists; they are persistent.


Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. Sounds like the Socialist Packers hey.

And no. Socialism does not equal some greedy evil government. To suggest that it does is alarmist and McCarthyist.

Anyway,nice try - got to give it to the McCarthyists, they are persistent.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Ah, ok, cool. A clockwork orange...very cool. I can grok that.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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It is dead on topic.

first the thread has to be in the right forum... all sports threads go to BTS....


As for your initial part...

you neither defined the term socialism...

and the example you gave is not socialism-
shareholders are shareholders- not the People

otherwise when Greenbay won the citizens of Greenbay would have all received checks directly from the team...

and when they lost all the citizens would have been billed--


the owners are a large number of shareholders, who originally lived in the area... not the people...


Socialism has been given chance after failed chance...

Germany, Russia

And when you look at today's examples


EU countries- mostly socialist and failing


Your thread is over a Football teams ownership- and how is it a social issue?



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by thesungod
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Well maybe you should read this before trying to say the Green Bay Packers are socialists...

en.wikipedia.org...

Public company does not equal socialism. Also they aren't non-profit. Sorry.
edit on 8-5-2012 by thesungod because: You posted something.


Socialism doesn't have to be none-profit.

But yes a 'public' company is not socialism. Socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production. In other words worker owned company, not 'public' ownership. In a true socialist company the workers own, control, and pay themselves from the profits. 'Public' ownership is really capitalist, as in private entities, no matter how many, who do not work at the company are the owners, and make profit on their investment.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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In the modern day Socialist are trying to redefine aspects of capitalism as socialism and take credit for it, in other words, revisionist. They do this in order to make Socialism an attractive option.

Socialism only works when people voluntarily live with it, or on the small scale. And the big problem, of course, is that socialist think that everybody must be a socialist.



posted on May, 8 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Its a social issue because Im talking about how the team is run. Its very different to the way other proffesional sports teams are run. Its a social issue. I am also saying that the team is socialist so Im not exactly talking sports.

Do you really care where threads go? Really? Is it because of people like you that members feel the need to include a disclaimer asking the mods to move if needed? Are they really talking to the mods or are they talking to you? Are they saying "hey stranger,please dont be rude to me over something as stupid as where to put this thread. Do you also ask members to use the search before posting?

I think you are right about the Packers not being 'socialist'. Im glad some people can admit what socialism really is if they are not trying to label Obama and his policies as socialist.

But the Packers are socialistesque. And way more socialist than Obama.





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