Alien abduction database?, page 1

reply to post by txMEGAlithic

Sorry for the delay, I wanted to take some time and look into the incident you posted. My research has been exclusive to N America and I was fascinated to find a case like this with so many common features to the N American cases not just on another Continent but so far away and in a place not influenced by American culture. (It has to be taken into account when people make educated guesses or even conclusions about evidence that they've been exposed to our media with all the references to ET's, etc).

The National Park / Forest cases in the US are extremely interesting because there are these clusters of similar cases in numbers that would surprise you. A lot of the cases have elements in common with the case you posted also:

1. A sudden, unexpected incident drives the victim to do things contrary to their training, experience and even safety. Examples of this are running uphill in cold weather (all experienced hikers know to head down hill, the higher you go the colder it gets). I have case after case of people choosing to run through waist or even chest high snow vs. taking easier paths nearby or even running into / through streams and rivers. The only reasonable explanation possible is that they were not thinking clearly or they were running away from something. Without exception in these cases there are no tracks found to indicate they were fleeing from an animal. We have hundreds of cases where we can track the missing doing these things and there are no animal tracks in the area at all to explain this behavior.

2. In numerous cases the victim removes clothing - shoes, shirt, pants, even underwear. Sometimes the clothes are found neatly folded and stacked, sometimes a body is found with only pants, socks and underwear on but they pulled their pants and underwear down. Boots are almost always found at accidental death / animal attack scenes but in these "strange" cases they are almost always missing.

There's a myth, even among experienced search and rescue team members and rangers that people suffering hypothermia will remove clothing due to a perception of being "hot". This theory is especially prevalent in areas that are not predominantly cold in nature. If you check with the same types of people who work in cold climates and ask them about cases where people have gotten lost, had accidents, been attacked by animals they will tell you they do not find these people with clothing removed or missing unless there is a valid reason (they were caught unaware, were undressed for sleep at the time of the incident, etc).

I do see a great number of common elements in the case you linked to with the N American cases. My gut feeling on it is that this group was frightened by something while in their tents sleeping or getting ready to sleep. They fled their camp, not even taking the time to dress and in at least one case cut through the tent in order to escape. Several froze to death while trying to return to the camp, probably "after" the incident was over and some were either not fast enough to escape or may have walked back too early.

It seems like there is little to no evidence of this incident being an animal attack. There are no wounds described consistent with a bear attack (if there are bears in the area even active at that time of year), no evidence of anyone having been eaten, even partially, etc.

I could post some extremely similar cases from N America ranging in time from current all the way back to the 1800's that would really make you wonder given the evidence in common.

The good news is that if you really wanted to track these types of cases, in addition to the usual private party report of an abduction- you could probably do it to some extent by setting up a reporting site, a database and gathering what data is available from various sources.

Since you asked, I got into this by studying a large number of missing person cases which were occurring on highways to people in transit. There have been so many and so many in clusters, it became clear to me that we probably have several undetected serial killers who operate that way. It makes sense, actually - abducting people who are in transit seems to give these monsters a head start against law enforcement and the combination of being able to cross state lines and no Federal / National group investigating the cases (sometimes the FBI will get involved but usually too late to do any good).

I was gathering data on these cases and looking into doing analysis to try and find some patterns which might help detect these people but neither the FBI nor state or local law enforcement is interested enough in it to contribute the data needed. Some of these highway incidents are close to these other clusters which led me to find other researchers and data. I also believe some of these highway abductions are not "typical".