"A Possible ROGUE Convention. GOP might have their own rules backfire in 2012."

there is nothing to stop a mobocracy from voting entitlements to themselves and therefor a tax consuming majority consumes the tax producing minority.
In our present state we have 2 candidates, 1 demorat and 1 repugnant that is buying votes.
What happens is their clients, in the form of voters, goes out and casts their vote and that is all they feel they have to do to get paid.
In Dr. Pauls case you have motivated people that believe in a cause and are there to follow through to the end.
Welcome to the Republic

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Outstanding post FreedomXisntXFree !


OutKastSeacher did you really say that ??????

But at this point...I support Ron Paul's efforts, no matter if they will succeed or not. The more chaos he can cause with the GOP the better.

Chaos ?
Ron Paul his supporters and delegates are following the GOP's own rules.
Where is the chaos ?

All I care about is Freedom and Civil Rights. So does Ron Paul. That is why I support the man. Everyone has their own intuition and I believe that Ron Paul is honest in his words. That is also why I believe Mitt Romney is a lying sack of ****.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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So what you're saying is that there is a majority whose vote shouldn't matter and a minority who are the only ones whose vote should count. It's amazing how Ron Paul can be for freedom and upholding of the Constitution while his supporters seem to want a totalitarian regime where only they have any political power.

thats exactly how the voting in of a president has been going since I personally cast my first vote..

now that it is going to bite the powers that be in the ass & there is a chance with people catching on to this that a people candidate just may in in fact be on the ballot & have a chance..

you want try to paint the current citizens who just may finally for once not have a corporate lackey on the ballot as totalitarian?

what a joke dude..

why did you not even mention the actual people in the GOP who had this started as bad? why people who today are working within the law do you direct your frustrations at? or the dems or why haven't you made a comment as to how someone could get elected in the primary & lose the popular vote? since delegates represent the population in a given district? that makes no sense.. but you just wanna bad mouth RP supporters..

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America could be correctly called a Democratic Republic or a Republican Democracy..

either term would be in alignment with the founding fathers vision..

What ever you wish to call it, it is currently broken.

Originally posted by The_Phantom
It's a Republic not a Democracy.

I think that's all I really need to say.

It's a fascist capitalist oligarchy, not a Republic or Democracy.

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It's a good thing that the dead can't see then, isn't it; the fathers would weep at the sight of what we've become.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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So what you're saying is that there is a majority whose vote shouldn't matter and a minority who are the only ones whose vote should count. It's amazing how Ron Paul can be for freedom and upholding of the Constitution while his supporters seem to want a totalitarian regime where only they have any political power.

Yep absolutely the minority is trying to protect their rights from the Mob! While this delegate thing will likely not work it is all about freedom and the minority protecting their rights from the mob rules known as so called democracy. Sad that people believe the 51% have the right to tell the other 49% what to do in every aspect of their lives that is what the constitution was supposed to protect against to bad it is not followed anymore. Aint democracy great... Sigh!

The definition of a democracy is where you have two wolves and one sheep trying to decide what to have for dinner. A republic is designed to protect minority rights thru the constitution. The Republican Party is a private organization that has it's own rules and those rules can be anything the party wants them to be. If Ron Paul supporters are using those rules to their advantage and the other candidates' supporters aren't, that's a problem for the other candidates. Primaries that are supposed to 'bind' the delegates to vote for the popular vote winner are fine in theory but if the actual process of selecting those delegates is based on caucus meetings where those who show up get to decide who the delegates are, then effectively that Primary is really a caucus. Ron Paul supporters are obeying party rules in each state. If you don't like the result, then too bad.

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You keep assuming that the popular vote is always for Mitt Romney, while Ron Paul steals the delegates away from the people who voted.

It's now well known that the media and the GOP have purposely ignored Ron Paul and his supporters, fixed voting at caucuses, and rigged reported tallies. If you need proof of this, then you're not on this site much or choose to ignore it.

So how do you know that Mitt actually had the popular vote in the first place? When 4000+ Ron Paul supporters march and attend rallies and caucuses (in the rain even) and Mitt Romney can't even fill a high school cafeteria, why do you think even for a second that Ron Paul couldn't possibly be the will of the people after all?

Here in Maryland, all I see is Ron Paul bumper stickers and people at street corners holding signs for him. I have yet to see the same for Mitt Romney. Where are his marches and following? He doesn't have followers, just clueless people who vote who ever the media says is winning.

Most republicans I talk to feel that Mitt Romney is "Luke warm" at best. He's not really all that popular as you think. However, there are many who say that they will vote for him only because there's no other choice. They think Mitt Romney is there only choice, because they don't want Obama and the media leads them to think there is no one else.

So what evidence do you have that Mitt Romney is the will of the people beside numbers that can be manipulated by the MSM. Show me actual video of people standing up and shouting for Romney. Even if you find one or two (which I doubt exists) it's still dwarfed by the number of videos that support Ron Paul.

By the way, I am an Analyst within the government and have seen firsthand how numbers can be manipulated to show results that are based on what the presenter of the info wants the recipient/s to see. The government does it all the time. Do you think the unemployment rate is actually around 8.2 %? The controllers of the data have the ability to include or exclude information in the dataset to show the results they want to show. It's done the most with promotions.

Originally posted by reeferman
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America could be correctly called a Democratic Republic or a Republican Democracy..

either term would be in alignment with the founding fathers vision..

No, they gave us a Constitutional Republic.
According to their own words they considered a democracy as evil right next to socialism and communism.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree

 

So what you're saying is that there is a majority whose vote shouldn't matter and a minority who are the only ones whose vote should count. It's amazing how Ron Paul can be for freedom and upholding of the Constitution while his supporters seem to want a totalitarian regime where only they have any political power.

So you want to cry foul because the Campaign may be using the rules put in place by the Establishment in order to take power back? The Campaign did not create these rules, but they should be faulted for knowing the rules and using it to their advantage?

Maybe you dont realize it, but this is a fight. We can fight towards freedom or we can fight towards tyranny. One thing I know about fights.... if your opponent is willing to stick his finger in your eyeball to win that fight, you have to be willing to do the same thing to him or you lost the fight before it ever began.

Originally posted by iwan2ski
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Show me actual video of people standing up and shouting for Romney.

I found one!!!!



Sadly he was paid to be there and he actually liked Newt Gingrich

Help us Ron Paul.....you're our only hope....
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree

 

So what you're saying is that there is a majority whose vote shouldn't matter and a minority who are the only ones whose vote should count. It's amazing how Ron Paul can be for freedom and upholding of the Constitution while his supporters seem to want a totalitarian regime where only they have any political power.

Explain to me how getting 46% in Florida is a majority that should entitle Romney to all the delegates. The majority of Floridians dont want Romney, yet all the delegates are bound for him. Classic case of a minority dictating to the majority.