Test turns to humiliation for kindergartner

That is just cruel.. I never did like how a lot of teachers will not let you go to the bathroom.

I had a habit of not asking if I could go. Just saying " I am going to the bathroom". They were less likely to say no when I put it that way.


This poor girl. Like I said, that is just cruel. And then to make her sit in it after she has an accident? Unacceptable.

I don't know if I would get the law involved or not...But I would definitely consider it. And I promise you the school would know that something like this will NEVER happen again.

And to think, she wasn't even really being tested. The teacher wanted to simulate the rules of the test? It's just sick.

The " I asked her to go to the bathroom before hand" excuse does not fly with me...Bladders and colons don't work on a schedule...You don't always have to go when the say you are allowed.

They would not help to clean her up....They would not let her go to the bathroom...They gave her a trashbag to wrap around herself....

We treat animals better than that....

The institution is living up to the metaphor of creating "Another Brick in the Wall"...

This child should receive counselling at the schools expense, and the teacher should be suspended without pay until he/she can figure out what they did was wrong and can articulate it acceptably in a public apology before the student body....

humiliation for humiliation.....

I've always been pretty passive guy, but having children of my own has changed my outlook on a lot of things. If this happened to one of my kids, I'd do anything I could, save violence, to humiliate the hell out of this teacher.

my daughter starts kindergarden later this year and if any thing like this ever happened to her guarantee you will hear about it every where. worthless people. i would go in there with a bottle of ex lax and drop a deuce in every class room, since that would seem to be the except able place to do so. Also that teacher would be laying in icu thankful she was alive even tho she would never walk or feed her self again my friend picked up her son from school yesterday day to a black eye and swollen face after falling off the monkey bars and the school never called her, FTW everything is just a giant turd any more.

Personally, I would give it time. Forgetting about the humiliation for a moment:

On a child that young, diarrhea can cause pretty bad damage if left too long (think big kid diaper rash) because the skin is still rather sensitive.

My main concern, though, is the hygiene implications. Human feces is loaded with all kinds of bacteria and nasty stuff. All it would take is a small cut (quite likely on a child that age).

The lack of action could easily have caused this child to get a severe infection.

As a teacher, this absolutely disgusts me.

My classroom policy: we have three "scheduled" bathroom breaks during the day. However, if a student needs to use the bathroom and lets me know, I generally let them do so (once you get to know the kids it becomes obvious who really needs to go and who is just avoiding the work).

I've also had children who didn't ask to go...and had an accident. Usually these are the shy and quiet kids that it happens to. Sometimes they are ashamed to tell me its happened. In the ten years I've been teaching, this has happened three times. In two of the instances, another student told me what happened, in the other I discovered it myself.

Each time I've immediately taken the child to the bathroom with a change of clothing. I then contact the parent (via phone call if possible, note home or email if not) and let them know what happened.

The testing procedures for standardized testing ALLOW STUDENTS TO TAKE A RESTROOM BREAK IF NEEDED. Yes, its a hassle b/c you have to have a proctor escort the student to and from the bathroom, but it doesn't cause a testing irregularity or misadministration.

This incident should be investigated by the district's central office...and the teacher perhaps placed on a disciplinary action plan.

And its not a private matter. Humiliating children....it concerns us all,

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I love the point about sending your kid to school messy is a crime but sending a kid home messy is not. Kinda reminds me of the whole over-medication issue. When a kid is more normal and well-behaved in the natural environment of the home, but acts out in the out-dated, restrictive classrooms - the answer is often to drug them. Government schools view themselves as having authority and importance above and beyond what goes on in the home. Its sick.

Originally posted by snusfanatic
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I love the point about sending your kid to school messy is a crime but sending a kid home messy is not. Kinda reminds me of the whole over-medication issue. When a kid is more normal and well-behaved in the natural environment of the home, but acts out in the out-dated, restrictive classrooms - the answer is often to drug them. Government schools view themselves as having authority and importance above and beyond what goes on in the home. Its sick.

The issue with kids misbehaving in school is misunderstood, IMO. By teachers.

We are so stressed about testing standards and focused curriculum that we forget kids are kids.

It drives me INSANE when a teacher refers a first grader to the School Services Team for behavior problems...and those problems are "he won't sit still" or "she fidgets to much."

These are CHILDREN. They don't have the attention span to sit more than twenty minutes. Heck, I'd be hard-pressed to sit absolutely still and focused for any amount of time.

We take brain breaks frequently throughout the day. Its a school-wide policy. After a set interval of time (which increases by grade), physical movement is required. It takes just two or three minutes to "get the sillies out," then everyone is ready to refocus and get back on track.

There are so many things wrong with our education system today. Sometimes I really wonder why I became a teacher.

Then I see a child laugh, and I remember.

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
EVERY parent needs to tell their child that anytime they need to use the restroom and are denied, they should get up and GO regardless of what the teacher says. Then the parents and teachers can have a little face-to-face over it if the teachers/principles wish to make a big deal over it.

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I wouldn't go that far. Of course this indecent was an extreme case, but just letting kids excuse themselves at any time from a classroom is incredibly disruptive and not a real solution.

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I wonder why so many cruel horrid people end up teaching innocent little children. I was traumatized for life by my 1st grade teacher and humiliated by my 6th grade teacher and had many other teachers that were just plain thoughtless and cruel. Sad world we live in that these people are allowed to teach little ones.

My sons second grade female teacher wanted him to read paperbacks that were pretty close to porn she sent home with him. She kept him after school and made him miss the bus so she could drive him the 30 minuets home, without even telling anyone. She quit teaching second grade and admitted it was so she could follow him to third grade. She moved to forth grade with him so he had her 3 years, I was very young and did not know how to deal with the strange teacher and her odd behavior with my son.

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That is disturbing on many levels.

Is this teacher still teaching?

Originally posted by stanguilles7

I wouldn't go that far. Of course this indecent was an extreme case, but just letting kids excuse themselves at any time from a classroom is incredibly disruptive and not a real solution.

For some. For others it wouldnt be a problem at all.

There are two types of kids. One type takes any chance they can to disrupt and be a menace. The other type knows when they have to take a # and will go take that # and come back.

Those two types of kids grow up to make for two types of adults. The type who knows when they have to take a # and the type who tries to control the #s of others.

I had a teacher in high school who tried to play the "no, you cant go #" game with me. I walked up and said "sir, it really feels like I have to take a # but obviously you being the resident authority on the matter must know better. So, do I, sir? Do I have to take a #?" Then I went to take my # and when I was done I came back to class and sat in my seat. From that moment forward I didnt have any more trouble with that nut. What a horrendous waste of time school is but that's another thread.

If only there were some way to separate these two types of people. The animals from the humans. The world might actually be a civil place to live.

The kid who disrupts to disrupt is an animal. Just like the authority figure who claims to know my bowels better than I.

Look at it this way, forbidding them to excuse themselves is assuming all are guilty. Permitting them to excuse themselves is showing respect and trust. Which make you the better person, assuming guilt or showing respect?

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Right, but the person I was responding to was saying they think kids should be able to just get up and go to the bathroom whenever they want.

As someone who has taught in public school (albeit for a very limited time), I know that to be a horrible 'solution' to a fairly isolated problem.

Baby. Bathwater.

this stuff is happening more and more without reprocussions to the adults who make the final say. about a year and a half ago my 12 year old son seen a bully beating up a fellow class mate who was a girl. he's been raised not to hit girls,so he interviened and broke up the conflict. as he walked away with the girl,the bully jumped on his back and bit his shoulder! my other son was present at the time,he was 10,pulled the bully off,and my older son defended himself. both my sons were suspended for a week for fighting!!! while the bully was sent home just for the rest of the day! well it didn't take me long to march down to the school to show the principle what a real bully is!
after the threat of a lawsuit about not providing safety of my children in their care(human bites are serious!) a very loud discussion,the threat of the police being called,and my demand to know where this little brat lived so i could 'discuss' with his parents what he did,the matter was finally dissolved with my boys having their suspension lifted,and the bully getting 'time off' from school. my kids have been raised as to right a wrong if they see it,or to defend themselves if need be. not to start trouble. its a shame things have gotten this bad.

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My 5 year old has to urinate all the time. He is otherwise a teacher's pet, perfect student, listens well, helps a lot, etc., etc. Once this year the teacher wouldn't let him go to the bathroom, and he tried to hold it, and then he couldn't hold it anymore, and he pee'd in her floor. He didn't get out of his desk, he didn't disobey in any way, and she had a mess to clean up. The teacher actually apologized to us at the end of the day, and said she should have known better, because our son never asks to go unless he really needs to, and she knows he is a good kid, and that day a lot of kids were running back and forth and abusing the privilege, and she shouldn't have taken it out on him, and she learned her lesson.

I can kind of understand letting the girl sit there if it was the end of the day and they thought the parents would be there any minute, especially if she didn't have any extra clothes at the school, but hopefully the teacher will not make that mistake again.

Something occurs to me.

Isnt forcing someone to soil themselves torture? At the very least bullying?

If I hold you down and force you to # your pants isnt that unlawful restraint and assault?

I know, I know, she wasnt forced but even consensual acts between much older people and those in positions of authority carry so-called ethical charges implying that those in authority have magic and unfair powers of coercion.

I want to know why one is not the other. Why can a person in a position of authority force a child to crap their pants in public but I cant force a peer to do it. Conversely why can a twenty-something adult have sexual relations with a minor of 16 or 17 but if that twenty-something were in a position of authority over that minor it would be a criminal act.

There seems to be a disconnect.

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Imagine me doing this to a worker I supervise. Maybe their work was below standard that day, or they have been goofing off a lot, and I command them to stay at their desk or face termination. They warn me they have diarreah, but I don't believe them, and I don't care, and I tell them they know the consequences. Then, they soil themselves, and the office. The other workers have to smell it, the whole place is in turmoil, and I am faced with a decision. Do I admit my mistake and help rectify the situation? Of course not, that would set myself up for liability! Instead, I contend they did it on purpose, and I fire them anyway! They sue, and the better attorney wins despite whatever facts exist. There is no humanity these days, only lawyers.

Honestly, the school should be turned into the local Health Department for
violating sanitation laws. Which in turn could lead to the firing of the teacher,
which would be a good thing.

This teacher sounds like an dipstick:

The kindergarteners were only doing prep for a test that does not even get administered
untill THIRD GRADE!

Those tests start in third grade, but the superintendent says ....

the reason the teacher was sticking so closely to MAP testing guidelines,

even for a kindergartner, is because she was trying to simulate the

stringent rules to prepare students for what's to come.

Sorry, this teacher needs the boot!

reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7


This is disgusting.. how could somebody let a little girl just sit there in their excrement? In my opinion that teacher needs to be fired ASAP and possibly even slapped with a misconduct charge, but that's just me.

I don't have any kids, nor this late in life do I expect to. However if I did somebody would pay for this. Just exactly how is this not child abuse. Yes I mean abuse. Are the laws really so lax where this occured that this was not treated as an abuse case?

I don't see why this teacher was not immediately suspended without pay. The principle seems to think this was not necessary. He should be suspended as well for a serious lack of judgement. How do people like this get their jobs in the first place?