Here's a reason you should be concerned about internet privacy. Forget stupid "nothing to hide arg

Originally posted by cointelprotroll
The ruling elite seem to love child pornography, and it would seem that TPTB love to push their vices on the masses. With that being said, CP is pushed in the main streem media; from movies; to music to whatever kind of seemingly harmless entertainment. Nowhere is it pushed more than in adult porn. Why is there so much free porn on the net? Answer: because the cost is being is mysteriously absorbed by enigmatic companies who want porn to be available to everyone. Ok..I'm guilty of watching some adult porn, and I noticed that on many popular free porn sites, when you watch a clip, you are also shown several other advertisements in smaller screens in the periphery of the desired video. Whats on these ad screens is seriously disturbing, and often looks to be in the realm of CP. These are major sites that I'm talking about. Anyone who has looked at these free (probably about 90% of you) sites knows that I'm not making this up.

Absolutely.

Not only porn, but sex with young boys etc. This video documents how they kidnap children and use them as prostitutes and worse and shows the links with MK ULTRA and Bohemian Grove and White House:


7:25 starts testimony.
10:25 starts listing people involved: police and influential politicians and extremely rich.
12:30 the investigators are bullied not to investigate because it goes to highest levels
14:00 many people found testifying powerful and rich pedophiles
16:15 testimony of sadistic acts performed
17:00 police officer shoving things where they don't belong...
17:40 more testimony of deviant sex acts.
18:30 that videogropher was found, his films destroyed and he died in mysterious plane "accident"
21:00 controlled children through drugs
22:15 flew them around the country so other big names could abuse them
23:50 inquiry convinced of child sex ring, turned evidence over to FBI then someone leaked that info to press and a big dis-info campaign began.
25:30 FBI turned victims into offenders and began interrogating and bullying them to change testimony.
30:30 one investigator and his son killed by a plane that was torn apart in air and faa never figured out
36:00 investigator bemoans the coverup
37:00 witness who would not change testimony was given 30 years... pedofiles got no jail, or a few years.
45:45 abusers treated as heros (even convicted ones), victims jailed, run off, or killed.
47:25 describes child sex parties in washington with the "highest level" politicians attended
47:55 children locked in room on drugs until after party to be abused
48:50 children taken on midnight "tours" of whitehouse then used for sex afterwords
49:50 "golden boys" were children under 10 used for sex
50:20 reporter exposes call boy network, millions of dollars, largest ever exposed.. only prosecuted operator but NONE of the johns - white house, congress, churches... they had creditcards, checks etc... and court SEALED the evidence... "cold day in hell" before they will get unsealed.

On February 5, 1999, in U.S. District Court in Lincoln, Nebraska, an extraordinary hearing occurred in Paul A. Bonacci v. Lawrence E. King, a civil action in which the plaintiff charged that he had been ritualistically abused by the defendant, as part of a nationwide pedophile ring linked to powerful political figures in Washington and to elements of the U.S. military and intelligence establishment. Three weeks later, on February 27, Judge Warren K. Urbom ordered King, who is currently in Federal prison, to pay $1 million in damages to Bonacci, in what Bonacci's attorney John DeCamp said was a clear signal that "the evidence presented was credible."

During the February 5 hearing, Noreen Gosch stunned the court with sworn testimony linking U.S. Army Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (ret.) to the nationwide pedophile ring. Her son, Johnny, then 12 years old, was kidnapped off the streets of West Des Moines, Iowa on September 5, 1982, while he was doing his early-morning newspaper deliveries. Since his kidnapping, she has devoted all of her time and resources to finding her son, and to exposing the dangers that millions of children in American face from this hideous, literally Satanic underground of ritualistic deviants.

"We have investigated, we have talked to so far 35 victims of this said organization that took my son and is responsible for what happened to Paul, and they can verify everything that has happened," she told the court.

"What this story involves is an elaborate function, I will say, that was an offshoot of a government program. The MK-Ultra program was developed in the 1950s by the CIA. It was used to help spy on other countries during the Cold War because they felt that the other countries were spying on us.

"It was very successful. They could do it very well."

Then, the Aquino bombshell: "Well, then there was a man by the name of Michael Aquino. He was in the military. He had top Pentagon clearances. He was a pedophile. He was a Satanist. He's founded the Temple of Set. And he was a close friend of Anton LaVey. The two of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And they deferred funding from this government program to use [in] this experimentation on children.

"Where they deliberately split off the personalities of these children into multiples, so that when they're questioned or put under oath or questioned under lie detector, that unless the operator knows how to question a multiple-personality disorder, they turn up with no evidence."

She continued: "They used these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they wish to have control of. This sounds so far out and so bizarre I had trouble accepting it in the beginning myself until I was presented with the data. We have the proof. In black and white."

Under questioning from DeCamp, Gosch reported: "I know that Michael Aquino has been in Iowa. I know that Michael Aquino has been to Offutt Air Force Base [a Strategic Air Command base, near Omaha, which was linked to King's activities]. I know that he has had contact with many of these children."

Paul Bonacci, who was simultaneously a victim and a member of the nationwide pedophile crime syndicate, has subsequently identified Aquino as the man who ordered the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. In his February 5 testimony, Bonacci referred to the mastermind of the Gosch abduction as "the Colonel."

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42:25 husband had impostor wife he took around the country
51:00 johnny came home at age 27, told her he could not stay because of the powerful people controlling him and Aquino, Senators, all the way to the white house.
56:15 child porn "Snuff Films"
58:00 when kidnap children grow up, they are forced to become perpetrators luring and kidnapping
1:00:00 prior arrangement was made with jhonny's father to have johnny kidnapped - common mk ulra is generational from many testimonies
1:05 victim Bonosi ruled credible by federal judge, the sex abuse and kidnappings for this happened, awarded 1 million in damages for abuse.

I don't see what's so wrong with the OP story. We act like we have the right to be able to download all this media and information. It isn't a right it's ILLEGAL. The loser sits around and downloads porn, some happened to accidentally child porn? congratulations. that's what you get. it's your fault.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Yea than honestly, shame on the PC users for not knowing there machines, I know "Its in the realm of possibility " that an ubber elite hacker would get pissed off at me and take me down that way...

But other than that, I know my bandwidth like the back of my hand, I know my PC as I am a competent computer user, I can tell when my pc aint up to snuff, when something is slowing it down.

To turn my pc into a Trojan server I would notice the drop off in bandwidth as well as a performance dip...

I akin this to getting into a car with out knowing some simple facts about the very big expensive dangerous machine you are using.

Ignorance of its function should almost be criminal if you chose to operate it and not know how to do it safely.

and honestly if you pick up this type of virus from somewhere, You are going to place you don't have the knowledge to be exploring, file sharing etc, If i am driving down an unfamiliar neighbor hood I am not stopping at the shadiest gas station I can find just cause its cheep.

IF you get car jacked, yea shame on the criminal for robbing you, but you where kinda being stupid for going places you shouldn't.

Simple posession of CP should not be illegal. There is no victim in posessing CP on the hard drive. And no victim, no crime. Manufacturing, and maybe distributing CP should be illegal, but thats all.

Of course, once children are involved, peoples brains tend to shut off. Thats how we got into the absurd situation that simple posession of CP is criminalised. All kinds of stupid laws and victimless crimes can be passed if you play the children protection and moral outrage card.

reply to post by benrl


That's not very realistic. Plenty of consumer products are in the homes and hands of complete idiots.

Want to start licensing people before they can buy computers? Mandate regular government inspections like motor vehicle inspections?

I know it's not right but it's reality. Homes across the country have computers hooked up to the internet with unpatched operating systems, long outdated antiviruses, dead or outdated firewalls, and the fools click on anything and everything they see.

reply to post by Maslo


thats very disturbing, in a very real way driving up the demand for CP is taking part in the very crime, just like smoking pot in a state where its illegal still means you helped out the grower and dealer... (and I am pro legalization)

Yes it should absolutely be illegal, intention downloading, should completely be illegal, and if people where smart all other types of "Accidental" ones would go away too.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Items of interest will be located, identifed, monitered, and remotely controlled ...
by way of RFID, sensors, servers, harvesters....

Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters — all connected to the next-generation internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing,” Petraeus said, “the latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing.”

Petraeus allowed that these household spy devices “change our notions of secrecy” and prompt a rethink of “our notions of identity and secrecy.” All of which is true — if convenient for a CIA director.
www.wired.com...

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


are you aware that if you let someone drive YOUR car, even if you are not in it, you can be held personally and criminally liable for anything they do with it...

That is very similar to what you are sorta saying, people do idiotic things and should be given a pass for it? seriously thats not how the law works.

and the post 911 bs patriot act world these are the realities we have to deal with, not some ideals on how the law should be.

reply to post by Maslo


I was thinking about that yesterday after my first response to this thread.

There is an initial victim. And the argument is often made that it continues to victimize that a depiction exists.

So lets look at other crimes. Crimes involving death. Death of a child even.

When an arson occurs it's plastered all over the news. Thousands of people are re-victimizing that family and a major media outlet is distributing the depiction.

I remember a kid being hit by a car in a state I was in and it was caught on security camera. That footage was on the news night after night. A child dying on TV. You dont think that family felt victimized every time the footage was played?

I guess what I was thinking about is what's the difference? Is it sexual gratification? Plenty of pyros get off on fire. I'm sure somewhere in the world there's a person who would get off to the footage of the hit and run.

Why is one viewed and distributed commonly and the other is a one way ticket to prison and a lifetime of torment?

reply to post by benrl


This is interesting. You claim the law is the law and that's the way it is while referring to the patriot act as bs.

So you know things arent right yet you feel obligated to tolerate it and abide by it?

Regarding the "demand" angle, is there a monetary incentive to produce like there is in drugs or trafficking? Who is paying people to molest/rape/assault these children? Seems without a monetary incentive the demand is just the first attackers drive to attack.

For instance, take all the money out of the music industry. People still want new music, sure. But now the production of new music is for the sake of the music itself and personal gratification for the musicians.

Without a clear market I dont see how there is a demand that can be curbed regarding the abuse of anyone.

reply to post by benrl

thats very disturbing, in a very real way driving up the demand for CP is taking part in the very crime, just like smoking pot in a state where its illegal still means you helped out the grower and dealer... (and I am pro legalization)

By the same logic, why not also ban the posession of all other medias depicting criminal acts? If simply downloading such videos somehow supports the criminals? Why should the crime of pedophilic acts receive special treatment, and far more serious crimes such as assault or murder not? Because or irrational moral outrage over the sexual element, or juvenile element?

Indirectly driving up the "demand" for crimes by enjoying crime videos should not be illegal. Only directly commiting the crime should be, or directly ordering a specific crime to be commited.

Yes it should absolutely be illegal, intention downloading, should completely be illegal, and if people where smart all other types of "Accidental" ones would go away too.

Victimless acts should not be illegal. And especially in this age when the threat of internet censorship is very actual, victimless acts that could justify it are a very slippery slope.

Originally posted by Maslo
Simple posession of CP should not be illegal. There is no victim in posessing CP on the hard drive. And no victim, no crime. Manufacturing, and maybe distributing CP should be illegal, but thats all.

Of course, once children are involved, peoples brains tend to shut off. Thats how we got into the absurd situation that simple posession of CP is criminalised. All kinds of stupid laws and victimless crimes can be passed if you play the children protection and moral outrage card.

Bingo, we have a winner folks!

Same can be said about wanting to ban pistols and marijuana.

Many times the people who write-up the laws, put monetary gains and lobby pressure above common sense, thus through their actions enable illegal power monopolies. This has the effect of choking the supply chain and causing prices to skyrocket, then the legislator gets a pre-defined cut.

Of course some things should be illegal, but we also need to examine the motives behind each action rather than just assume they always know best. Naivety and ignorance eventually leads to tyranny!

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


You get a star, thats exactly my point!

Why dont we ban posession of all depictions of illegal activity, according to this logic? Why is depiction of the crime of murder legal, but depiction of the crime of child sexual abuse is not? Murdering someone is even worse.

If anything, its an evidence of a crime. Why should simply posessing evidence be illegal?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Hell no I feel obligated to survive under it, to understand the chains of my oppressors and learn how to survive until things can be set right.

No curiosity about it, I am a realist, not an idealist, I know what I believe, and I know the only rights we have are the ones we can defend with force, the system is falling apart, and TPB seem itchy to round us up and lock us up.

I choose to know the traps and avoid them.

As for not understanding the culture of CP, thats understandable, I had a coworker whose mother was a custom enforcement agent (Why I knew Ice's jurisdiction on this) they share these among the community of other pedophiles, and sadly yes I had to explain to her one time that people often do not pw protect their routers, and as an ICE agent SHE DIDNT KNOW THAT...

So yea I am sure knowledge and training could be usefull, but can you honestly say that in this current climate we find our self in, that ignorance of how to secure yourself and possessions doesn't just apply to your home, but to the very pc and cell phone you use.

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Hell no I feel obligated to survive under it, to understand the chains of my oppressors and learn how to survive until things can be set right.

No curiosity about it, I am a realist, not an idealist, I know what I believe, and I know the only rights we have are the ones we can defend with force, the system is falling apart, and TPB seem itchy to round us up and lock us up.

I choose to know the traps and avoid them.

Point taken and thanks for the clarification

reply to post by TKDRL


Yeah, that was the one.....pretty F'd up. Especially at the end when the camera zooms in on him. ug...burned into my mind.

Funny story.. Was flipping through the pictures on my computer the other day and my teenage daughter was looking with me. We ran across some pictures her mom took of her and my son in the bath when they were both much younger and she laughed and said "dad you have kiddy porn on your computer" and obviously said it in a very joking way but it got me thinking about this very thing. It is pictures of them both sitting in bath water so its not like it is sexual in any way but still. Makes you think doesn't it? If they want you they got you. Who doesn't have pictures or has seen pictures of kids in a bathtub before?

I think the incentive to download copyrighted material from the internet is a direct result of the middle man's excessive greed factor in hogging the highest possible percentage from the sale of the artist's material. The artist gets less than he/she deserves and the consumer gets shafted.

Everything has cause and effect. The government looks after the recording companies because they have the most influence.

Additionally SOPA was redundant to the Digital Millenium Act.

reply to post by TheTardis


There have been parents ratted out by nosy picture developer people for that very thing....
On facebook I have seen nosy doogooders comment nastily on peoples beach pictures, talking about how they should not feed the pedos or some nonesense...
Apparently nowadays you gotta go through all your vacation pics, and ask yourself if a pedo might like it, or face the wrath of the nosey doogooders :/

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The prohibitive prices out there for Cd and DVD forces me to download and preview anything before I dish out money for it. 99% of "entertainment" is crap, I watch, or listen once, then delete because it sucks. I am glad for that, I save a lot of wasted money.