New ISP will defend users from government spying

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider? I'm against the government wanting every little bit of information but somewhere the line has to be drawn and it's painfully obvious this is just going to let people get away with bad things. I know there are already other ways to protect your virtual identity and that the government can also use other methods to catch criminals but this is too far in my opinion.

Although he would have to put up a hell of a fight to get away with not handing over the information in the first place.

Is this what you think or what they want you to think? Even with the ISPs who share data with the government, huge numbers of criminals and pedophiles still operate every day. It is not the criminals and pedos who are the major concern for the government but MPAA and media companies not getting more money.

maybe if parents would do their jobs of "parenting" a little better. There wouldn't be an opportunity for them to get to their children. Parents can make blocks to websites and content themselves. Maybe they should just have workshop classes on a "easy how to guide." It blows my mind how lazy parents are to where they just go "hey if the government can take care of is f*** it. I'll the govt. baby sit and do everything. That's part of the reason why everything is being taken away a bit at a time.

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes

New ISP will defend users from government spying

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As the battle rages on over regulations for the Internet, one man is proposing a solution that could curb the concerns over online privacy. Legislation is being pushed in America right now that could stop online piracy, but would at the same time also infringe on the rights of many. Could all that change, though? One new Internet Service Provider will challenge the government if a user's information is requested. Nicholas Merrill, executive director for The Calyx Institute, joins us to explain.

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yeah right....and i got a bridge to sell you
i worked in the computer field (that's all i'm going to say), and the old adage we used back then still remains "what can be written, can be read"

not hard to monitor the isp even if it wont monitor itself as it will have to peer its network to several other isp's and all the giverment needs to do is slap their monitoring equipment on those lines and job done you still have the same degree of monitoring and they'll still have to follow the law so when a judge orders it they'll have to comply or face probably alot of time in the local jail

I can't look right now, but I'll be back to check it out.

Chances are, if they have to, the government will find some reason to shut this guy down.

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider? I'm against the government wanting every little bit of information but somewhere the line has to be drawn and it's painfully obvious this is just going to let people get away with bad things. I know there are already other ways to protect your virtual identity and that the government can also use other methods to catch criminals but this is too far in my opinion.

Although he would have to put up a hell of a fight to get away with not handing over the information in the first place.

Criminals and pedophiles can already communicate pretty anonymously. It's kindof like the saying "If you make guns illegal, the only people using them will be the criminals". Forced sharing of customer data is a threat to the customers, not the professional criminals.

let's think this through..................... a ISP provider will erase all the tracking/identity codes/signatures/registeries that are built into your program...for that OS to function properly..... that's just BS.... so he can sell suckers a pipe-dream


he might be able to 'darken' your e-mail that you send through his ISP...but there's no-way to obfuscate your total internet presence...


it's nothing more than a sales pitch !!!

The government will always invade ever ones privacy.
What do you thing happens to the hackers they put in jail?

The only way to keep them out is to have a privet internet.
Not as hard as you think. Just needs money lots!
Satellite communication is getting very fast.

The dater transmitted to you would be base’t on averages.
The data most ask’t for would be sent down on a repeat.
For example if ATS web site is downloaded very often.
Then that data would repeat the most.

If you ask for a web page that only you
down load you will have to wait a little longer.
You may think this is slow.
But this would be use’d for secure data.
And not just a news web site.

To up load data.
You have a local satellite up link for each area.
You would have to pay!

reply to post by Swizzy


Well what is everyone scared of the government seeing their internet usage for? I have nothing to hide... No can should be scared of what the government sees about their usage if they are using the internet properly and not for illegal means. Do you think they care about what you bought on ebay or what your last facebook status was?

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider? I'm against the government wanting every little bit of information but somewhere the line has to be drawn and it's painfully obvious this is just going to let people get away with bad things.

Which would you rather have? The government sticking their noses into our personal lives via the internet, or total freedom? Personally, I'd rather have total freedom. I don't care if there are pedophiles on the internet. There have always been pedophiles in society, and always will be. Taking the internet away from them won't get rid of them. Pedophiles used to trade photos and videos through the mail (and probably still do). Does that mean that the government should have the right to rip open every letter and package that goes through the post office? Hell no! Why should the general public have to suffer just because of a few bad apples?

Something else just occurred to me. Who says that the government doesn't have the ability to just get right into your computer? They probably don't even have to go through the ISP. If they needed information they could be in and out of your computer in 5 minutes and you would be none the wiser. If they have the ability to shut down Art Bell's radio tower like they did in 1994 (when an ex-Area 51 employee started spewing secrets on the air) then I'm sure they can easily get into your computer.

reply to post by BigBruddah


Pedophiles travel on the roads to kidnap kids and transport illegal materials, we should outlaw the roads.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

And vans, and candy

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


Awesome post. I've been hoping some tech-savvy person would step up to the plate to provide a service that is desperately needed - a service to protect the privacy of citizens, instead of trampling on them. I look forward to hearing more about this.

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider? I'm against the government wanting every little bit of information but somewhere the line has to be drawn and it's painfully obvious this is just going to let people get away with bad things. I know there are already other ways to protect your virtual identity and that the government can also use other methods to catch criminals but this is too far in my opinion.

Although he would have to put up a hell of a fight to get away with not handing over the information in the first place.

Your entire post screams FEAR!!!!
This is a good thing......for the federal government.
Keep up the good work chief.

The ISP is the one weak spot the government has in tracking what people do online. With systems like TOR and other encryption techniques it becomes very difficult to track and monitor once out in cyberspace. With all internet data moving through the ISP, it does provide one repository for working out just what happened.

There are two main groups that are very concerned about public privacy, criminals and political activists. For the rest of the population it may get a bit embarrassing finding out you like Brazilian Transvestites or such, but it will not get you killed or locked up. Banks, corporations, government and military all have big investments in maintaining their privacy, but are also subject to regulation and oversight.

I do not like this new ISP chances when the police turn up with a warrant investigating a situation. Either the ISP gives them what they want and business continues as usual or else the police take everything and have there own guys go over it to see if something is available. If it is a serious enough matter, this can result in an end of business operation as the investigation proceeds.

If the man does his legal shopping he might find some jurisdiction more sympathetic to these ideas of privacy which could offer some protection with continued business operation. Depending on how high up the problems go and how important this ISP data becomes will contribute to its long term success.

Knowing just how dumb, stupid, ignorant, exploitive, aggressive and destructive people can be at times, I can see the value in this information increasing as more standard ISP implementations develop. While anybody can take anything out of context, there is a lot of information available to help understand why these incidents occur that require so much attention and resources.

reply to post by BigBruddah

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider? I'm against the government wanting every little bit of information but somewhere the line has to be drawn and it's painfully obvious this is just going to let people get away with bad things. I know there are already other ways to protect your virtual identity and that the government can also use other methods to catch criminals but this is too far in my opinion.

Although he would have to put up a hell of a fight to get away with not handing over the information in the first place.

Spoken like a true dictator. Prevent access to a service by millions simply because it could POSSIBLY stop a couple of hundred criminals. I cannot understand this mentality. The cost of freedom is blood. I would not want you fighting on my side.

It seems that people of your thought process believe that the protection of a few is worth the sacrificed freedom of the multitude(millions upon millions). That is a complete distortion of the truth. A society cannot have freedom without victims. I thank you for the utter propaganda you have shown us.

No single person is worth the freedom of millions. Only a dictator would sacrifice the freedom of hundreds of millions for the benefit of a handful.

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider?

Pretty sure the ISP would have filters of some sort in place to police that kind of thing.

But very good point.

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


paedophiles should be getting monitored anyway,on a daily basis,by the government,and if they wanted too they could just take the source of the problem by taking down the offending websites,if the public care so much about other individuals doing the wrong things on the internet,then there should be an extra tax on those who pay isp's,so the isp's can fund an investigatory group too weed out illegal porn sites,i certainly wouldnt pay it,cos i wouldnt want an extra pack added that said,peace of mind for those who worry constantly about certain websites,it does not affect me,nor do these individuals,id be just aswell donating my money too something i did worry about,cancer maybe? there is always going too be things too worry about, i have donated before,but i did it cos its something that affects "me", therefore i should not have too pay,but if it bothers u that much,help fund it,period,like taking someone too court for downloading a film or game,when its the uploader who breached the copyright,cut of the head and the monster dies,of course,thats an example,i dont believe there is anything wrong with downloading or uploading,if you pay your isp,downloaders are victimized and overcharged.
i believe our isp's should defo be paying something toward film-makers budgets so decent ,honest,paying people,who pay far too much anyway,can watch the latest movies without being harassed,like me,who is housebound and cant go too the cinema,it stops illegal uploading and helps out people who pay honestly,like me,and i want the bandwidth they promise instead of the 25% they provide.
it only cost £8 for a months infinite pass too see what you want at the movies,i pay £45 a month for broadband and connection too see movies online,play games cos i cant go out, and lately,the only other reason i pay for it (utube) has messed my channel up so much,not only does it look stupid,but i cant find my way around my own channel even after months of trying too figure it out,ive stopped my entertainment channel,which included gaming reviews,animes and reviews,movie reviews,music,comedy,and just about anything,it was my own personal make up,and now it sucks,also 90% of my favourites have been removed,my playlists,removed,or partially gone,it goes on and on,they removed half my reason for internet,and half my reason for living,so utube is just an information website too me now,and no one pays for information,do they? culture should be allowed too share if they please,or culture dies
and personal privacy should be respected,e.g i dont want anyone knowing ive tried viagra! but they would if i did!!! respect my privacy,or pay for my movies...choose,either way ill see my movies,respect my privacy,we both win,pay for my movies we both win,cos you just suceeded in ridding the world of piracy,in place of a moviefest...we already pay enough for,and thats not even including the fact i pay my tv license when i dont watch anything on tv,not a thing,everything on tv is old or rubbish,with the money i pay for a tv license,again,i could get 5 monthly passes per month too the cinema,and that still doesnt include the fact,i already paid for my tv!!! £700 for an older 38inch tv,if im too pay these bills,we,the customer,should be winning somewhere along the line,im basically renting my tv and my pc even though ive paid for them!!! if im renting them,i want the latest frickin model! if people keep allowing things like non-privacy,there will always be debaters like me,and eventually,there would be an extra tax put on isp's,but who would be willing too pay for it maybe 4-5% max?? but that would be more than enough too pay someone too weed the bad websites out.
the government should be monitoring these guys half too death anyway from the day they are charged till the day they die...they asked for it,they forfeit their own privacy,but not mine,and not yours either.its not us who should be monitored,its the ones who have a criminal record,who should already be monitored in the first place.
and why would anyone in their right mind want too be monitored anyway??? attention seeking??? so no one wants monitored,paedophiles are already monitored,illegal porn websites are gone with the help of "donating concerned people who have the option too donate too their isp's for sex site checking" there is no need for a police check on everyone with an isp,cos the ones with criminal records are already on the list of offenders and should be monitored through police...not their frickin isp's...

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

In all honesty, I think this is a bad idea. I mean how many criminals, pedophiles etc are going to be connected through this provider? I'm against the government wanting every little bit of information but somewhere the line has to be drawn and it's painfully obvious this is just going to let people get away with bad things. I know there are already other ways to protect your virtual identity and that the government can also use other methods to catch criminals but this is too far in my opinion.

Although he would have to put up a hell of a fight to get away with not handing over the information in the first place.

Im sorry but by this logic we migth as well allow the government to ban use of certain streets and highways bacause pedophiles can access those too. It's high time we stop catering to the lowest common denominator.
'S high time

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