The Mother of All Conspiracies

reply to post by lordbayfin
Don't worry I'll plant some gardens for you but don't know if you'll want that kind of stuff shipped. And I would give you everything else you need but hemp is illegal.

As many others have said, you have perfectly showed everyone what is going on. i know too well what your saying. Once it snaps in place or your eyes open, you cant un see it.

From history, we learn to spot the mistakes governments have made before, and mathematics helps us to spot when we're being lied to. (You see, governments LIKE making mistakes, as I get into further, and they need to be able to lie in order to make them)

again well said! it all starts with maths. for anyone one of us look into how simple and perfect maths just fits to gather, flower of life with geometry is the first step for anyone.
S+F my friend. very well done.

reply to post by Axial Leader


See my reply to Blaine. Whatever "good intentions" our forefathers may have presented during the founding of this nation, they have since been hijacked by pathological kleptocrats.

Originally posted by Meaningless
reply to post by lordbayfin

 

Don't worry I'll plant some gardens for you but don't know if you'll want that kind of stuff shipped. And I would give you everything else you need but hemp is illegal.

Don't you know? This guy wants everything shipped to him by post, along with the government taxes and everything else that applies!

Barring that, he'll just go to Glikks and buy everything there...

reply to post by Starchild23


Sorry, I ain't here to steal anyone's thunder. I just had an idea, and ATS seemed like the appropriate vehicle to express it.

In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is speaking so long as the listening is happening.

Originally posted by lordbayfin
Some of the above.

2nd line

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I assume you are replying to me, but your response is too vague to understand. From what I garnered you hate communism/anarchy and think only certain people who have a direct relationship to lucifer are capable of managing earth.

I disagree and have nothing further to add, unless you wish to make yourself clear and participate in a more meaningful discussion.

I don't support communism/anarchy. I support a socialist democracy...if it means anything!

I still think some of the problems in society come from the masses having a "victim mentality" -- i.e., the idea that the only thing keeping them down is "TPTB" or "The Man", or whatever euphemism you want to use for "government".

Actually, in most cases, I think the only thing keeping people down are those individual people themselves.

reply to post by shapur


Like I've stated before, I have no idea.

All I know for certain, that no matter we use, it must be armored as much as possible against corruption. Like, if you're an official caught taking a bribe, off with your head right then and there or something like that.

Some type of system that's intolerant to corruption is all I know for certain. How that's implemented is up for greater thinkers than I.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


really?
Well you can be right to a certain degree.. once you know what is going on you should reduce how much you participate without destroying your own life. anything else...is there fault. we have almost zero opinions in life styles unless you jump when they say jump. ..or sing when they say sing

reply to post by guavas

Good thread OP, and the rabbit hole goes all the way back to ancient Sumeria. I have studied much of the global conspiracy stuff myself as well, and you may have read some of this already but I have a few links you my find interesting.
www.divinecosmos.com... (David Wilcock has an ongoing investigation into much of the history, all the way to current and possible events in the near future dealing with mass arrests of key Cabal figures. A cease and desist order has been drawn up for all branches of the Federal Reserve, and many CEO's of large corporations have quit in mass numbers. some of which only a couple of websites are even talking about as far as I am aware)

www.lawofone.info...
www.illuminati-news.com... (this website has good info but I think the owners are wack)

www.disclosureproject.org... (many people may know their is a direct connection in many ways to the UFO secrecy and geopolitical power, many surprisingly do not. read the entire briefing document section)

wespenre.com...
www.thelivingmoon.com...
forum.davidicke.com...

and finally if you have not already read all of Zacharia Sitchin's books, and any other who study the Sumerian culture (excluding anyone in the elites pocket of course) Always before buying a book do a search you may find it free in PDF.

Then David Icke www.davidicke.com... I think his theories are in the ballpark. (except I think it is possible that the "gods" the Sumerians speak of may have evolved and moved on and no longer even bother with earth)

Oh by the the way for those of you that don't know the documentary "Thrive" may be viewed free now, if you have not seen it yet you should definitely check that out, it is the best documentary to introduce to someone that has no clue anything is wrong with the world at all...www.thrivemovement.com...

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by guavas

 

Hey, wait a second there.

You're assuming we CAN change the system.

Let me ask you this, then...is it better to be aware of the system we cannot change, or remain ignorant of it?

No one here has been able to say whether or not we CAN change the system. It's always "possibly" or "I hope so"...there are no definite answers. We don't know we can overthrow the current regime.

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All I'm saying, is that if there IS a way, it's going to be through our pocket books. And whether or not ignorance is bliss...well, that's something philosophers have been pondering for ages...

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I still think some of the problems in society come from the masses having a "victim mentality" -- i.e., the idea that the only thing keeping them down is "TPTB" or "The Man", or whatever euphemism you want to use for "government".

Actually, in most cases, I think the only thing keeping people down are those individual people themselves.

Really? What do you call *taxation without representation* then?

Do you think NASA is holding back america and the world when they sent people to the moon for 3-4 years and give us the utter bs that is a dry lifeless planet till this day??? What about not telling people that aliens with their ufos are flying cloaked in our atmosphere and giving us bs of weather ballons/swamp gas/missles/etc.?

Or that a large portion of our tax dollars are going to the fat cat bankers in europe and the rest is speculated on wall street?

That is not a victim mentality. It is reality! Grow up little man.

reply to post by guavas


CONgratulations! you have just described your strawman... you are a corporation therefore must answer to the
bosses... only the names change... you should take time to research who is your strawman...

you could be a candidate to be a freeman on the land...
you could start here www.worldfreemansociety.org

have a nice day

reply to post by Blaine91555


If you think my point is to advocate the legalization of illicit drugs, than I have catastrophically failed in my attempt to communicate my ideas.

reply to post by BellaSabre


I'm not advocating anarchy, Marxism or anything else, an in fact, as I have stated earlier, I tend to lean towards capitalism myself...

I'm just one moron out there pointing at something that I think is broken...that is all...

I have some beliefs that go along with this topic, here goes:

I believe that the Ego drives the material, and also that whole "victim" mentality thing along with it. But that's just the beginning. It has to identify with something, it creates form through identification, as the Ego cannot just "be".

The Ego in all of us wants us to be identified by form, like "rich", "powerful", "sick", "poor", etc. I believe that until we find a way to overcome ego, we will be exactly where we've been all this time.

I also believe that the coming "golden age" that is spoke of so often, the "Christ Consciousness" or whatever you like to call it, is simply this overcoming of Ego and letting the "I AM" within the individual person be the driving force of our lives.

I think there's also a certain measure of Service to Self, and Service to Others stuff going on, and how that equates to negatively-aligned groups (ET, regular humans, whatever-it-doesn't-matter), and the duality that Earth provides to let us see the results of our decisions collectively. To know pain (collectively), we must BE pain... that kind of idea. I read recently on this forum a well-written article that the Universe and all life within is created to seek knowledge and information. I view this as paramount to understanding why we are all here, and what we are here to do.

I am of the opinion that the Service to Self path and all the negativity that goes along with it (including Ego feeding) is a very temporary thing and the information obtained during our time experiencing it will help us (as a Collective Consciousness of souls) move past it, and move on to bigger and better things that the Universe has to offer.

So literally, I believe the biggest conspiracy is that we need Ego and the Service to Self path. The denial that we are all One and that Service to Self is important over Service to Others (by viewpoint that the most important person is oneself thus denying we are all connected as One)

Well that's my take, anyway.

Originally posted by mkkkay
reply to post by guavas

 

CONgratulations! you have just described your strawman... you are a corporation therefore must answer to the
bosses... only the names change... you should take time to research who is your strawman...

you could be a candidate to be a freeman on the land...
you could start here www.worldfreemansociety.org

have a nice day

Sorry but I don't buy this "freeman on the land" notion. Government should exist to control things in a positive direction. To manage everything in a productive and efficient manner. Not just "change for the sake of change" crap.

One negative does not negate another negative. We need light from god, not from satan. If everyone is free on their land(whatever that is supposed to mean) then anarchy and chaos will eventually ensue, only to be followed by tribalism; much like the native americans fighting each other or african tribes.

We need a government by the people and for the people. The masons can participate but they need to change their ways and be part of the sum; not on the sidelines pretending to be a coach!

Great thread, OP. Great writing and summation of the situation, as many others have told you.
This seems to sum up quite a bit on this site. We could lump many threads into this situation you have described.
So many comments, interestingly, are about focusing on the convincing of the populace of the truths you have stated. I say, interestingly, because I think the facts you state are rather obvious at this point. And, truth be told, there are many, many days where I believe this site is actually a part of what you describe. Everyone doubling each others' experiences and ideans so there are no individuals, and eventually it will all coalesce into one big "thing," brought there, chiefly by a created problem and created solutions, and the "appearance" that something is being solved, and if we just "unite" or realize we are "one" we will be fine. Those are our choices. And it turns out every choice is poison.
Gonna stick my neck out here a bit. I think we reached the technological singularity a long time ago. I think there is a "time con" going on. I doubt it is even the year we all name this year, write on our documents and so on.
Further, I think (and hope) this is a closed, perhaps "prison" system, an "experiment", if you will.... and that is because I dearly hope that this isn't all there is, or that all there is, is the worst it could get from here.

Yes, there is a holographic universe, Dorothy. Hold onto Toto, because no telling what you or he will look like tomorrow. Suppose we have the technology to look like anyone, anytime, at least certain of us..... And suppose someone can make your mind, endeavors, lifelong efforts look like theirs, and you appear to be them....
For that matter, how do you really know what you've seen or that others see what you see when you look in the mirror.
In other words, this is all a question, every bit of our reality and experiences, because we have awakened to the fact that we live in a completely contrived "reality......"
Don't mean to take this off topic, as your post is excellent.

And, just to add, as many others have stated here, history, itself, is in question.
The originals have been done away with, and what is superimposed is just that, and always being revised. Which means, we have no basis for now or for forward, whatsoever.....

Yep. We can't even rely on our own history...

History is the lie commonly agreed upon. (Voltaire)

Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past. (George Orwell)

History: An account, mostly false, of events, mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers, mostly knaves, and soldiers, mostly fools. (Ambrose Bierce)

These quotes, by famous people world-wide, pretty much describe the history taught in our schools.