The Mother of All Conspiracies

reply to post by Meaningless


Theoretically your ideas are sound, but in reality you have failed to factor in human behavior. Anarchy always leads to rule by the strongest, who may be and often are the most brutal and evil people in society. With no system to protect against them, they will always prevail.

Theoretical idea's like pure Communism, Socialism or Anarchy only work as an academic exercise. In the real world those who push those idea's do so for control. That's why those systems always lead to nightmares for the citizens. They always end up being a two Class system with a powerful Elite having all the marbles and everyone else groveling at their feet for handouts.

In all of history, the system of Capitalism, Personal Freedoms and the Rule of Law we have now has worked the best and benefited the people the most. The other always leads to an enslaved society, always.

The idea of every person for themselves will never, ever work. It will always lead to human suffering and their is no way around that without lying to ourselves. Those idea's only work if all of us are motivated, honest and peaceful. That will never be the case.

"They" are you. Me. Our ancestors who worked diligently to put together a system in which we could work, play, and live our lives as peacefully and with as little struggle as possible.

You want to know how it all came about? Read some history books. The ones who put it together are all in them. What they did, what they hoped would work, what they feared would not. It's all there. It's not perfect, but it's worked for a very long time.

You say they pulled the system out of thin air? You are right. They did. Brilliant minds I wish were still around to advise us through the difficult times we face.

Without government there would be chaos. Somewhere in your brains would must realize this.

If I might..... start with a biography of Ben Franklin. He contributed so much more than people realize. He was a fascinating man. A true founder of our culture. He saw a problem and he tried to find a solution. The first library, the first garbage pick-up, the first street lights; anywhere he saw an area that was problematic, he tried to come up with a solution. He was brilliant. He even "discovered" the gulf stream, while on a ship to Europe. He "figured it out".

Just learn. Learn and study, and when you understand how and why things actually came to be, and not just the way you *imagine* they came to be, then perhaps you can contribute something meaningful yourself.

reply to post by Starchild23
Lol you actually think people want to risk their lives? We've gone too far with the governments we have, we're softies right now who only want to live in PEACE. If the majority wants to live in peace then that will happen but not if you think government has a role in the universe.

Governments are actively crapping on us but you seem to think without them it would be even worse? There's an invisible dick up your ass right now courtesy of government but you rather stick with that then to try and overcome that boundary.

Life would be amazing without someone trying to control or shift it around. All governments do is wage wars, destroy environments and kill people every day. Do you realize this?

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by guavas

 

A lot of good ideas there.

One thing that I am not sure about is this:

For the ones smart enough to ask questions, they instituted the standard 40 hour work week to keep us too busy and tired from scrambling around to ask questions.

I thought the 40 hour workweek came about through the increased power of the workforce due to the advancement of labor unions. Before the rise of the unions, workweeks were much longer.

It's the "institutionalization" of the concept...there's a conditioning that comes from it...sure people worked a lot harder in some fashions, but they were ultimately in control, and it was their work ethic that drove them. If they saved up and took a coupla weeks off from the mines, they'd have time to ponder things...With the advent and institutionalization of working hours, it became the norm, and thus everyone had en expectation...nowadays a vacation can be just as stressful, if not more so, than the work it is you're taking a vacation from.

I hope that made sense, lol

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by deviloshdoughnuts

 

Holy (insert expletive here), I hadn't thought of that.

However, I really think that those civilizations have nothing to do with modern society...except as something that our current leaders are exerting every ounce of effort in resisting. See, the "gods" (aliens) had contact with those people and gave them lots of stuff...

Unfortunately, due to the structure of our reality, those all died off. Additionally, some people were just jerks and toppled the system.

What we have here is the government deciding it's easier to promote slavery in the clothes of freedom, than giving us freedom on a platter and spending tons of their pocket money to ensure that we don't force them to slavery.

The big question here is: if given the option, can we govern ourselves? Or will we end up falling just like every other empire?

We know that the Native Americans govern themselves, and do a fine job quite literally, IMHO.
Imagine the restraint they possess given their predicament?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Meaningless

 

Theoretically your ideas are sound, but in reality you have failed to factor in human behavior. Anarchy always leads to rule by the strongest, who may be and often are the most brutal and evil people in society. With no system to protect against them, they will always prevail...

Exactly.

If you put a bunch of people in a room together, or on an island together, for an extended period of time to fend for themselves, those people would create their own problems amongst themselves, even devoid of government involvement.

I truly doubt the world would be some happy place where everyone holds hands and sings "Kumbaya" if there were no form of government.

I'm not saying that individual people are all necessarily bad, but humanity as a whole is notoriously competitive. Competing for food; competing for shelter; competing for a mate; and just competing in general.

reply to post by Starchild23

Are you encouraging Big Brother to raise its ugly head behind the curtain?

Because they couldn't prevent what i did? (which were minor offenses btw),

No ofcourse not, but THEY know it themselves aswell, they're useless for protection and use that as excuse to put cctv and the likes on every corner of the street. Does it lower crime rates? Nope, still doesn't.

And as to actually solving crimes, alot of cases never get solved.

Numbers from 2004 (source)

Murder 62.6%
Aggravated assault 55.6%
Forcible rape 41.8%
Robbery 26.2%
Larceny-theft 18.3%
Motor vehicle theft 13.0%
Burglary 12.9%

Originally posted by mecheng
reply to post by Starchild23

 

I actually think you and I are close... Our "leaders" as you call them, have slowly (if 200+ years is slow) been replaced by greedy immoral people in it for their own profit. The greedy have pecked away at the original system until it has been rendered unrecognizable.

My point with respect to the OP is I don't think we are where we are now because of some "master plan" that has been set in place and followed by a select few - as much as because the system has evolved to where we are due to the fact that... Simply put, the greedy want it more!

I am willing to concede that it is entirely possible the opportunities simply PRESENTED THEMSELVES, and things just kinda converged in favor of the Captains of Industry to pan out the way they did. I am willing to compromise to a degree on this if it is not an outright conspiracy from the get-go. But I know there are things that have been deliberately engineered to perpetuate it, so I'll solidly stand my ground on that, and whether or not it was deliberate or partially incidental from the beginning plays no bearing on that whatsoever.

reply to post by Blaine91555
Too many people want peace and no one wants to be told what to do. We keep order by keeping order in ourselves, not in the hands of some government. It is absolutely possible to live in local communities, uniting together and swaying off any intruders attempting to gain control. Do you even know what dictates behavior in humans?

reply to post by guavas


Guavas, The master conspiracy evolved eons ago when angels refused to serve us. That was God's commandment to them. They refused and there was war. They were booted out of a higher realm and cut off from the light.

Once they were in bodies and no longer spiritual bodies they had to figure out how to get this light. Many themes now project this plight. Vampires is one of the most prevalent. The blood contains energy and light. When the sun comes up they must hide or it will destroy them. On a metaphysical level when blood is shed and the cell hits the air it explodes. When the cell explodes it releases life force that it contained. They then absorb this light to live.

The fallen angels have devised ways of removing our light through our effort, our lives, our creation, and our supply.
The only way that they can survive since their expulsion is to steal the light from us. They have forever declared war with God and his children, us. They do not care if we spill our blood on the battlefield.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


I think that is deeply and genetically ingrained in us as Humans. It's a legacy of a time when killing a neighboring tribe to protect our food supply was a necessity for life. Competition for survival is hardwired into us. Perhaps if we survive, thousands of years in the future things will change, but for now it is most certainly true.

Oddly enough I was just thinking of "Lord of the Flies".

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Meaningless

 

Theoretically your ideas are sound, but in reality you have failed to factor in human behavior. Anarchy always leads to rule by the strongest, who may be and often are the most brutal and evil people in society. With no system to protect against them, they will always prevail...

Exactly.

If you put a bunch of people in a room together, or on an island together, for an extended period of time to fend for themselves, those people would create their own problems amongst themselves, even devoid of government involvement.

I truly doubt the world would be some happy place where everyone holds hands and sings "Kumbaya" if there were no form of government.

I'm not saying that individual people are all necessarily bad, but humanity as a whole is notoriously competitive. Competing for food; competing for shelter; competing for a mate; and just competing in general.

I've had to share a lock-up once with a bunch of illegals. One thing I noticed was that when rations were given; cookies or whatever the cops felt like throwing in our cage on the way to the dumpster...

It didn't matter who of these illegals got their hands on which goodies; they would hand it off to the eldest, and he would make sure that everyone got their portion. Even a gringo such as myself!

So to think we are incapable of governing ourselves is drinking the pee that we are told is coolaid, and good for us; absolutely ludicrous!

Well said Brother......well said!

I live in Alaska and the biggest News story EVERYDAY is the word on Oil. New Pipeline Propsals, Land Management for Oil, Government Spending for Oil and or tax cuts etc etc......you get the picture. What about Education? What about Educating ourselves out of this mess? I for one have plenty of ideas for Alaska's self sufficiency, but I don't have a degree so its pretty hard to get anyone to listen around here *sigh*, but thats the rub........EDUCATION IS KEY!

Originally posted by Meaningless
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Too many people want peace and no one wants to be told what to do. We keep order by keeping order in ourselves, not in the hands of some government. It is absolutely possible to live in local communities, uniting together and swaying off any intruders attempting to gain control. Do you even know what dictates behavior in humans?

Yes I do Do you

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Meaningless

 

I'm not saying that individual people are all necessarily bad, but humanity as a whole is notoriously competitive. Competing for food; competing for shelter; competing for a mate; and just competing in general.

Wouldn't need to compete for food if we simply plant gardens all over for people to freely pick from. Shelters are easily made and could be available to all. Competing for a mate lol. You guys have no clue how life would be without government.

Originally posted by Ketzer22
I especially liked the part about how the government must continue finding/creating problems in order to perpetuate its existence.. I never thought of it that way. It makes perfect sense though- along the lines of why they declared a war on drugs- they know they can never "solve" the drug problem, but they sure can soak up even more tax dollars in the name of it. Great OP.

Precisely. Drug use is an endemic part of human nature, and you'd have better luck legislating sex away. No one is that colossally stupid, so it is used instead to generate revenue and bolster the Prison Industrial Complex and to manufacture conflict to justify further budgeting, contracts and funding.

I would rather deal with the consequences of legalized drugs than the drug cartels prohibition invariably creates. We're ALREADY dealing with the consequences of drug use anyway because people are STILL doing them!!!

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Meaningless
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Too many people want peace and no one wants to be told what to do. We keep order by keeping order in ourselves, not in the hands of some government. It is absolutely possible to live in local communities, uniting together and swaying off any intruders attempting to gain control. Do you even know what dictates behavior in humans?

Yes I do

Do you

Enlighten me.

Originally posted by loveguy

I've had to share a lock-up once with a bunch of illegals. One thing I noticed was that when rations were given; cookies or whatever the cops felt like throwing in our cage on the way to the dumpster...

It didn't matter who of these illegals got their hands on which goodies; they would hand it off to the eldest, and he would make sure that everyone got their portion. Even a gringo such as myself!

So to think we are incapable of governing ourselves is drinking the pee that we are told is coolaid, and good for us; absolutely ludicrous!

Then what you are saying is that we would immediately recreate a government and a set of rules (laws), along with an enforcement mechanism (Courts, Jails etc..) That is true and it would lead us back to the system we have now out of necessity. All Laws come from necessity. All government comes from necessity. You are in fact making my case for me.

What you saw happening in that situation was a government being formed.

Mexico ironically is a great example of this in action. 50,000 dead since 2008 due to rule by the man with the biggest gun. Once the government of the people failed, the government by the strongest replaced it.

Another example of a place with true anarchy in recent history is the story of the Congo. Remove all law and all government and it turned into a horror story of epoch proportions.

reply to post by mat2012


Well, I'm not sure whether or not to mix aliens up into this. That would be another topic entirely, and I'm not sure we need to put them in here, unless they somehow had a hand in our ancient past. Personally, I think we are more than capable of inhumanity all on our own without "their" help.

It is true that Puma Punku is mind-boggling, as I have been researching ancient alien stuff for years...however, if there is a conspiracy going on along THOSE lines, it would be to hide the fact that either A) we've been visited in the ancient past, or B) human beings have been around and "mathing" a lot longer than mainstream archaeology cares to admit.

Tend to be sceptical about most CTs but this one I agree with. Always felt that school was created not educate but create and prepare workers. I think that coupled with private corps driving excess (creating a society of excess always leaves us in debt and gives us no way of leaving the vicious cycle), the saturation of terrible food (junk food, soft drink - brings on the obesity epidemic we don't have the energy to protest, plus well fed people don't protest), flashy and dumb television programming (entertain and dumb down the masses, communicate points of view, advertise junk food and items that we just have to have) - is THE conspiracy theory. I think that part of it includes the demonisation of socialism in the USA. Infact until I had posted on American boards, I had never realized how ignorant and scared Americans were of it. You've been duped. We all have.

That said I don't believe that it is all the setup of some shadow government dealing with the ruling elite - I think it has just happened fairly organically, with private corps lobbying and bribing govs to allow their evolving agendas to exist.