both OCCUPY and TEA PARTY can sense somethings wrong with the direction of the US

i have seen heated debates from both sides on "what is wrong" and "what needs to be done about it"

lets cut to the reason for both groups to exist.
the "too big to fail banks" USED this designation to profit from the peoples of the great nation of america.
they basically held to ransom the congress of the united states of america.

that much i am sure we can agree on,
13 trillion dollars backed by the full faith and credit of the citizens of the United States of America,
while banks stopped lending and interest rates were dropped to zero at the fed, the people bore the costs of the excesses of the so called "too big too fail"

when america is at stake, and in great debt because of the greed of a very small minority,
we are devided by the minor differences of class and wealth,
the bail outs have destroyed the faith of the people not only in the banks but also in each other.

the politicians seek to exploit our differences to continue our devision for their own political purposes.

if we are too busy with each other who is making sure society is not destroyed for all?

so i ask,
what is preventing the tea party and occupy from joining forces to put pressure on the CAUSE of this pain and devision?

what would it take to bring together everyone and ask one simple question,

WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA?

i want people to really think before answering,
WHAT IS STOPPING AMERICANS FROM STANDING TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY AGAIN?

i have always looked at the us as one of the greatest democracies the world has ever known,

WHY DONT YOU STAND TOGETHER FOR THE SAKE AND FUTURE OF THE GREAT AMERICAN NATION?

i can asure you if any american was harmed in any way,
no one would ask were they left or right,
they would say "he was us'

no one would say is he dem or repub,
they would say "he was american"

i just want to see the america i see when i close my eyes.
people helping people,

not people devided
people united for the common good.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO SEE OCCUPY AND TEA PARTY HOLD A COMMON GOALS SUMMIT?

what would it take to see co-operation?

for the sake of the great nation we see as our big brother
what would it take?

xploder

I would say it will take Austerity.

America is so divided.

I hope everyone can come together before Austerity is forced on America though.

Originally posted by Germanicus
I would say it will take Austerity.

America is so divided.

I hope everyone can come together before Austerity is forced on America though.

you just have to look at greece and what austerity has done to the birth place of modern democracy,
do we really have to wait untill the bankers cause massive finacial damage for the second time?
i mean austerity will slow the economy, the banks will still make massive profit, but the population will suffer.

why do we allow ourselves to be devided when the stakes could be ending up like greece?

america is too important to sweat the little things,

xploder

It seems ridiculous that these two haven't figured out that their interests lie together yet.

They will get there, eventually. Taking more time than I expected because of the media lockdown in the US.

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Set up a summit meeting.
I'll attend.

Might be interesting.

Its not just those to groups of people who think something is wrong, Everyone that lives here that doesnt have their head up their own backside can tell somethin is wrong, and the ones that do will eventually believe it because if the speeple can be herded by TPTB why not be herded by others? Its going to take a Coup to clean up the sh!t created by the big banksters who are just giddy with them selves as to what they`ve done.

Its obvious to what needs to be done but those words arent gonna be typed out through my keyboard, not enough firepower yet to deal with the FBI/CIA/DHS when they come kicking in my door.

Is there a master plan to fight the banks ?

Love to hear it.

Is there a master plan to fight the corruption and graft ?

Love to hear it.

Is there a master plan to fight the corporations ?

Love to hear it.

It seems the Obama agenda is based on some sort of revised / rearranged Marxist / Corporatist plan.

The politicians have failed to bring back the jobs they successfully allowed to be sent to foreign countries.

What can the individuals do ?

What can group protests do ?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Set up a summit meeting.
I'll attend.

Might be interesting.

i will ask for a vote to be held in the GAs,
" what areas we can agree on outright."
"what can we work on together today"

is there a prefered location, as NY is the home of OCCUPY WALL STREET GA
but we have GAs accross the country.

there is a service we use to connect accross the world in group calls,
is face to face or telephone conference prefered?

xploder

The TPM and occupy can never come together even though it would be politically expedient.

The differences aren't political....they're cultural. Look at the make up of the meetings...I've been to both.

TPM...mainly conservative white old men.
Occupy....diverse hipsters

Originally posted by xuenchen
Is there a master plan to fight the banks ?

Love to hear it.

we have working groups (many) working directly on this problem
i am not privy to the details, but would love to see imput from all viewpoints.
there are stratagies being developed to give releif to american families.

Is there a master plan to fight the corruption and graft ?

Love to hear it.

yes, there is but this is not the forum for those discussions
as more imput is required from a larger number of people,

Is there a master plan to fight the corporations ?

Love to hear it.

yes but it requires the tea party candidates and the tea party members to join with OWS on a few specific issiues.

It seems the Obama agenda is based on some sort of revised / rearranged Marxist / Corporatist plan.

corperations are not living breathing people, banks are not above the law,
Obama is none of my business, as i support only fleash and blood people, not politicans

The politicians have failed to bring back the jobs they successfully allowed to be sent to foreign countries.

this is due to groups like ALEC and other "think tanks" writing legislation in favour of a small minority, while harming the country and society. these groups are specifically only writing laws for profit without consideration of citizens.

write bills to stop the 1% legislation that makes it aceptable to "sell" jobs to china

What can the individuals do ?

buy american made goods,
design an app that photos bar codes and points out the products that have offshored jobs for money,
and also points out companies supporting the creating of pre crafted laws for the benifit of the 1% at the detriment of the whole society.

What can group protests do ?

when unity of peoples is shown even in the face of minor differences, the politicians lose the ability to bring up smaller issiues to deflect from the real problems facing the nation.

i will give you an example from NZ,

when people were working together well before the elections here,
the govenment "announced" legislation they knew would devide the population along the lines of colour of skin.
while we debated each other over this devicive legislation, and argued,
they slipped in a candidate into a position in an electorite and removed their own candidate and the proxie candidate won, the area giving them supreame power to pass legislation that the people dont want.

WE WERE SO BUSY WITH THE ARGUMENT,
that we missed "the political play" and ended up with a govenment that can sell of our assets without discussion with the peoples.

WE WERE PLAYED BY THEM,
using a devicive topic designed to distract.

ie, if the economy is the greatest issiue facing the nation,
why are the debates and topics of secondary importance?
is it because they know we will be too busy fighting the emotive issiues with each other, to see their true intent?

they distract us while they devide us into smaller and smaller groups.

THIS IS WHY THE PASS LEGISLATION NO ONE SEAMS TO WANT

we must find the "common ground" and force the real issiues facing everyone in america and the world,
and call them on devicive topics that are designed to makes us ineffective because we are too busy sweating the small stuff.

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER


i will ask for a vote to be held in the GAs,
" what areas we can agree on outright."
"what can we work on together today"

is there a prefered location, as NY is the home of OCCUPY WALL STREET GA
but we have GAs accross the country.

there is a service we use to connect accross the world in group calls,
is face to face or telephone conference prefered?

xploder

Telephone.

I'm in germany right now.

Originally posted by seagrass


The TPM and occupy can never come together even though it would be politically expedient.

The differences aren't political....they're cultural. Look at the make up of the meetings...I've been to both.

TPM...mainly conservative white old men.
Occupy....diverse hipsters

you point out the differences,
i will point out the simularities,

they care enough about their nation to do something,
they both know there is something wrong with the direction of the US
they both want a return to the founding documents.
they both are stanuch supporters of their causes,
they are both struggling to pay their bills because of the finacial crisis,

THE BANKS DESCRIBE BOTH OF THEM AND THEIR PROPERTY AS "TOXIC ASSETTS"
THE BANKS THINK BOTH WILL SIT BY AND WATCH THE COUNTRY DIE FROM LACK OF CAPITAL
THE BANKS THINK THEY ARE IMUINE FROM JUSTICE

the main difference is "what to do about it"

hence the need to find the areas we can agree on,
and the areas we "agree to dissagree" on

AMERICANS WEATHER TEA PARTY OR OCCUPY ARE NOT "TOXIC ASSETS",(banks words)

they ARE the greatest nation on earth, i hope it can stay that way.

xploder

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Skype then.

They are complete opposites.

T.E.A. (taxed enough already): Citizens are tired of being taxed to pay for govt giveaways.

Occupy: We aren't getting enough free stuff from the govt

The demonstrations from each respective group couldn't be more different. Citizens protesting at govt centers with no police incidents = TEA party. Citizens camping in a city park for weeks destroying businesses property and using the streets as urinals = OCCUPY.

occupy telephone conference platformreply to post by beezzer


this is one of the platforms used for teleconferencing,
please start a "plan a solidarity action in your area"

name it what are the areas tea party and occupy can agree on.

please ask for a time and date to start discussions.
remember to only allow topics that are constructive, not devisive
the occupy people will be there to discuss that topics

america is greater than any one idea, or group
we must work together for the sake of america and americans.

let this be the start of a working relationship where we can agree to dissagree,
but can also agree on the main points that effect people and their lives

take the power back into peoples hands

sincerly yours
xploder

Originally posted by jjkenobi
They are complete opposites.

T.E.A. (taxed enough already): Citizens are tired of being taxed to pay for govt giveaways.

Occupy: We aren't getting enough free stuff from the govt

The demonstrations from each respective group couldn't be more different. Citizens protesting at govt centers with no police incidents = TEA party. Citizens camping in a city park for weeks destroying businesses property and using the streets as urinals = OCCUPY.

Thanks for proving my point! Cultural differences, social attitudes, ingrained we/they cult identification; at least by some apparently.

Some Americans don't want to come together even if it is in their benefit. Blame, finger pointing and "people like you" attitudes are the current social norm. Born of ignorance, propaganda and economic hardship.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

Skype then.

Works for me!

I'm not afraid of voicing my concerns. I've had many a battle here on the ideological course that nOccupy has been taking.

Would love to "sit" with them and chat.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
They are complete opposites.

T.E.A. (taxed enough already): Citizens are tired of being taxed to pay for govt giveaways.

do you agree that INCLUDES BANK BAILOUTS?

Occupy: We aren't getting enough free stuff from the govt

no its that the banks have been given ALL THE CAPITAL and the citizens have been given ALL the BILLS.

The demonstrations from each respective group couldn't be more different. Citizens protesting at govt centers with no police incidents = TEA party. Citizens camping in a city park for weeks destroying businesses property and using the streets as urinals = OCCUPY.

the straight answer is both groups are simply doing what they know to do,
if we did it together we would be able to show unity and the politicians would have to take notice.

i know for a fact that if it was anyone else other than the govenment harming americans you all would be united in wanting justice.

it is the politiks deviding you not your love for your nation.

your view of occupy is not what is important,
occupy and tea party are both two sides of the same coin,

STOP LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCES AND START LOOKING AT WHAT IS AT STAKE.

xploder

reply to post by seagrass

Thanks for proving my point! Cultural differences, social attitudes, ingrained we/they cult identification; at least by some apparently.

we can agree that we need to get money out of politics?
that citizens united is anti democracy for the people?

when it comes to the protection of the nation, i can say that all agree
THAT THE BANKS ARE NOT AMERICA, THAT AMERICANS MAKE AMERICA GREAT,
NOT THE BANKER CRIMINALS THAT FORCE US TO ARGUE

????????
do you diagree?

xploder

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Me either
Xploder?