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Sarkozy threatens to quit passport deal if EU countries don't seal borders against illegal immigran

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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Sarkozy threatens to quit passport deal if EU countries don't seal borders against illegal immigrants Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...


www.dailymail.co.uk

Nicolas Sarkozy has threatened to bring back passport checks for all EU citizens entering France if member countries fail to seal their borders against illegal immigrants.
The French president named Greece as a key culprit allowing asylum seekers to flood across its ‘unguarded frontier’ with Turkey.
He set a one-year deadline for EU nations to tighten security before France pulls out of the Schengen Agreement that allows free travel between 25 countries.


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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Further to my thread from last year talking about France and Italy planning to close borders : www.abovetopsecret.com... here

Its interesting to see Sarkozy when he is approaching an election take the nationalistic stance


I am an old cynic but seriously what the hell is this man thinking he can get away with? Inciting racial hatred is a crime isn't it....... (Not in France though where he already banned the Burka)

www.dailymail.co.uk
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JUST TO BE CLEAR: I view this as entirely a political move to try and seem more rightwing than the reality
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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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It is political..... but it is also commercial. National sovereignty is the single most repugnant element of commerce-driven transnational control...

Broad regulatory efforts to control movement of people is one thing. But when you have "issues" with the policies of another sovereign state (there's that word again) you have legitimately gone off the reservation...

If your charged with governing your citizens, do so. You cannot govern the citizens of another state.... unless your American....(sarcasm intended) go figure



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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How is not wanting illegal immigrants in your country crazy and racist? (shrug)


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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
It is political..... but it is also commercial. National sovereignty is the single most repugnant element of commerce-driven transnational control...

Broad regulatory efforts to control movement of people is one thing. But when you have "issues" with the policies of another sovereign state (there's that word again) you have legitimately gone off the reservation...

If your charged with governing your citizens, do so. You cannot govern the citizens of another state.... unless your American....(sarcasm intended) go figure


Entirely agree, but the economical aspect is an unitnended/lesser part by-product of the statement. Sarkozy really gives two 'fishcakes' really about the perception of his statement beyond winning votes from Frenchmen who are fed MSM stories of immigrants causing turmoil and the perceived erosion of the 'French way of life'.

This stance IMHO will speak to the people of the regions who fear the 'invasion' of foreigners into France. The vote winner is the nationalistic aspect, the economical factor is just a bonus for those that read further than the headlines. We have seen historically that when the French really feel economically threatened they just up tools and blockade irrespective of the public stance of the administration.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by mayabong
How is not wanting illegal immigrants in your country crazy and racist? (shrug)


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legal is a political definition isn't it? we are all people of the world and as enshrined in law all citizens of europe



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Inciting racial hatred is a crime isn't it.......


I dont see any hatred incitement in this move. And I think he is right, immigration control is leaky. So, what is your problem with this move?



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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But when you have "issues" with the policies of another sovereign state (there's that word again) you have legitimately gone off the reservation...


Why? I think that in schengen space, it is appropiate to call out the weak links in the border, in this case Greece. Because once an illegal immigrant gets through the border in Greece, he can easily get anywhere in schengen, even to France.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Yes that's why we have so many Eastern European immigrants in the UK. Most having kids now too in the UK, so that'll entitle them to more state benefit they won't get in their own country.
We probably do need to start border controls especially in the UK.
Fed-up of paying taxes to keep other people unemployed.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by spacedonk

Originally posted by mayabong
How is not wanting illegal immigrants in your country crazy and racist? (shrug)


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legal is a political definition isn't it? we are all people of the world and as enshrined in law all citizens of europe


Um ok. So people should just be allowed to flood in anywhere they want? What about infrastructure? will the state need to pay to get them integrated into society?
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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by mayabong

Originally posted by spacedonk

Originally posted by mayabong
How is not wanting illegal immigrants in your country crazy and racist? (shrug)


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legal is a political definition isn't it? we are all people of the world and as enshrined in law all citizens of europe


Um ok. So people should just be allowed to flood in anywhere they want? What about infrastructure? will the state need to pay to get them integrated into society?
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Within Europe: the EU, it is already agreed that is what will happen!!!



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by spacedonk
Within Europe: the EU, it is already agreed that is what will happen!!!


But it is also agreed that schengen border will be secure, and this is apparently not the case.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by supamoto
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Yes that's why we have so many Eastern European immigrants in the UK. Most having kids now too in the UK, so that'll entitle them to more state benefit they won't get in their own country.
We probably do need to start border controls especially in the UK.
Fed-up of paying taxes to keep other people unemployed.


I say do whatever needs to be done to get rid of those immigrants who came to leech welfare. As an Eastern European, I have no pity for those, as they only tarnish the image of Eastern Europeans in the west.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by mayabong
How is not wanting illegal immigrants in your country crazy and racist? (shrug)


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In he case of France and most of Europe, the "illegal immigrants" stands for families of Roma who lived around there for centuries, or refugees for arab/african countries occupied by France. So to suddenly define them as "illegal" is, indeed, racist and crazy.

If Sarkozy would be honest in his '"appeal", he'd first call off his troops from Africa and the Middle-East, so the people there wouldn't have a reason anymore to flee from the violent Muslim dictatorships he himself has been setting up during the last year!

Want "illegals" to get out of your country, then get out of your illegal military occupations abroad!
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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by mayabong
How is not wanting illegal immigrants in your country crazy and racist? (shrug)


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In he case of France and most of Europe, the "illegal immigrants" stands for families of Roma who lived around there for centuries, or refugees for arab/african countries occupied by France. So to suddenly define them as "illegal" is, indeed, racist and crazy.

If Sarkozy would be honest in his '"appeal", he'd first call off his troops from Africa and the Middle-East, so the people there wouldn't have a reason anymore to flee from the violent Muslim dictatorships he himself has been setting up during the last year!

Want "illegals" to get out of your country, then get out of your illegal military occupations abroad!
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Point taken, but I don't think its military occupation of mexico which makes illegals jump (swim?) the border into the US
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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Good. It seems to have been the habit of countries like France to allow illegal migrants free passage through their lands because they were on there way elsewhere. You just need to look at the camps of migrants at the Channel Ports who are left alone because they are en route to the UK.

A bit late, but maybe France is realising that unchecked immigration is bad news.

Regards



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