Originally posted by IgnorantSpecies
There are a few things we need to look at..
Firstly the Shroud of Turin is re creatable, its creation was not magical as some people may claim.
No one has re-created it with all the characteristics already known from studying the shroud. The 3D image is the insurmountable feat; there are
absolutely no other known instances of such a phenomenon...none at all. It is essentially something like a hologram, whose information is
retrievable through a 2D photograph of the image containing the holographic information (on the shroud).
Read that again and let it sink in.
And haven't you ever heard of Arthur C. Clark's 3rd Law?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Right now....it IS magic...and back in the days of the Civil War on back, going to the moon would have been magic.
Perspective and perception is all anything is, materially speaking.
Secondly, carbon dating is not the best thing with a subject like the Shroud because it has been suggested that there may be different parts to
the shroud that have been added at different times.
That's already been proven, actually. But the Vatican won't release any more samples from elsewhere on the shroud for testing...and has also called
back all samples already in the field from previous testing.
Thirdly, even if it is from the era we are claiming that this is the shroud that Jesus wore which is crazy. We do not even know if Jesus
existed and there were millions of people in that era it becomes statistically impossible for it to belong to the one person we claim.
Well, in truth, it isn't really important who Jesus was, as a person, when it comes to the implications of the shroud being authentic and somehow
produced by a blast of light as hot as the sun yet not crisping the whole thing into ash...it is about divine technology just out of our reach as
humans...it's not a reason to worship a man, a human...something we should not do, imo...but rather a reason to consider perhaps that just maybe
there is such a thing as what we call GOD...a higher mind and superior intellect that is the root and source of our human mind...something that we all
have a part in whether we ascribe to a man named Jesus or not...the words of Jesus are invaluable gems...love your neighbor and your enemy,
too...judge not, etc.,...but LIFE comes from something greater than the words or the Word...the place where the thought that gave rise to those words
Whomever was transformed into pure light energy in the making of this image on the shroud, if indeed that is the only persistent conclusion of
science...was transformed by something we do not fully fathom.
Lets also take a look at the people making the claim.
We are talking about the church, this is not good for the claim because over the centuries the church have proved themselves to not be trustworthy and
people who will lie and manipulate to spread their business.
Ah! But the Church (RCC) makes no claims about the shroud and never has. From Wiki
The Catholic Church has neither formally endorsed nor rejected the shroud, but in 1958 Pope Pius XII approved of the image in association with
the Roman Catholic devotion to the Holy Face of Jesus.
There has been a continual interest in the shroud by at least small numbers ever since it came into the public view. Now, that perpetual curiosity is
infiltrating the science community as well as many other arts/interests.
Here are a couple articles address the scientific interest in the shroud in our modern time:
Scientists, religious scholars to present Shroud of Turin
Science Sides with Religion
A slideshow at Discovery.com
, with some quick facts in an easy to
A page full of books and publications on the authenticity of the shroud from a scientific perspective
Books on the Shroud of Turin
The deeper the scientific inquiry goes, the more unanswerable the question is, of the shroud's origins/creation.
To me, it almost seems as if the RCC wants the truth hidden, whatever it is...especially after calling back all specimens taken for testing.
The rest of us who are interested just want to know that truth, like I said, whatever it is.