There has to be a particle that can travel faster than light, page 1


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reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 05:15 PM by -PLB-
reply to post by neoholographic



I think this thread could become more interesting if you share why you think that this is the case. Why can't it be a force? Or a bridge in a higher dimension? Just to give some other options. How did you come to the conclusion it has to be a particle?


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 05:43 PM by neoholographic
reply to post by Namaste1001



Exactly!

We assume that there must be "spooky action at a distance" when it comes to things like non locality because we assume that there can't be anything that travels faster than light.


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 08:52 PM by Moduli
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
this thread is a more specific way of saying that relativity and quantum mechanics cannot both be true in their present forms because they contradict each other, though both seem to be true.


In other words it is saying something that has been explicitly known to be false since at least the 1920s.
en.wikipedia.org...

Also, no faster than light communication happens in quantum mechanics. Wave function collapse does not transmit any information of any kind. Probabilities changing does not indicate the communication of information, or any physical change at all, and is something that happens in normal every day life, e.g., en.wikipedia.org...



reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 11:11 PM by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Moduli



Also, no faster than light communication happens in quantum mechanics. Wave function collapse does not transmit any information of any kind.

quantum entanglement says otherwise. we don't know what triggers wave function collapse, nor much about it at all.

an experiment was performed where two particles traveling the exact same speed on a collision course was set up in an attempt to get around the heisenburg uncertainty principle. they were going to measure the position of one, and the momentum of the other and thereby know both for each particle. they found when they measured one, the other particle changed instantaneously so that both the position and momentum of a particle could not be known at the same time. this hints at a higher structure to the universe than we have yet described.

the issues between quantum mechanics and relativity haven't been sorted out yet.


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 11:13 PM by onequestion
reply to post by neoholographic



WHY is light traveling?

Answer me that question and i would be very pleased.

In order for information to exist it has to be a whole. Within that whole exist potential. The information for the all exist within all of the information for the all..
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reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 11:30 PM by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by beezzer


tachyons are a theoretical particle that have been debunked. it's humorous in a way, because they travel so fast that they go backwards in time, which would cause the results of the test for tachyons to be known BEFORE the test was performed.

if a particle was discovered that actually did travel faster than light, then physicists (usually having a great sense of humor) would probably name the particle tachyons, or tachyonic-whatever.

there are things that do travel faster than light through a vacuum, it's just that nothing with mass can do this. light has been made to travel 300 times the speed of light through a non-vacuum (excited cesium gas if i remember correctly), and the pulse of light exited the far side of the chamber before the main pulse entered the front, then the main pulse was cancelled out because the light exiting emitted the exact opposite frequency backwards, or something. pretty cool stuff.


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 11:33 PM by beezzer
reply to post by Bob Sholtz



Thanks for the education.

Has there been studies that could slow down the speed of light?


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 11:34 PM by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Darkchemistry


the wavelength of light doesn't affect it's speed at all. it doesn't matter how fast or slow it vibrates, it goes the same speed.

we see this with the red shift of light from distant stars. the light moves towards us, but we're moving away from the source, so although the speed of light is constant, the frequency appears at a lower energy spectrum. there is also a blue shift that occurs when we're moving towards the source of light, the speed of light is constant, but the frequency seems higher than it would to a stationary object relative to the emitting source.
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