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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by xuenchen
The liberals really want the Canadian Public Option down here in the USA.
Step 1: Force the current health care companies out of business.
Originally posted by Shoonra
Take a look at the CBO report for yourselves!!
and click on the PDF document
On the very first page it says that the new estimate for the first ten years of the program is $50 Billion LESS than what was previously estimated. In other words, the program is more, not less, affordable than previously thought!
Leave it to the Republicans, the Teabaggers and the other ftards to try to twist this into the reverse of what it says!
Know this … there has never been a government operated health care program that cost anywhere near what the politicians who pushed it on you said it would cost. It’s always more --- it’s always MUCH more. The politicians lie – but they know you’ll buy it. After all, that’s what our education system is designed to produce --- gullible voters.
Here are some bullet points:
•In 1965, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance program of Medicare - the federal health care program for the elderly and disabled - would cost $9 billion by 1990. The actual cost that year was $67 billion.
•In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee said the entire Medicare program would cost $12 billion in 1990. The actual cost in 1990 was $98 billion.
•In 1987, Congress projected that Medicaid - the joint federal-state health care program for the poor - would make special relief payments to hospitals of less than $1 billion in 1992. Actual cost: $17 billion.
•The list goes on. The 1993 cost of Medicare's home care benefit was projected in 1988 to be $4 billion, but ended up at $10 billion. The State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which was created in 1997 and projected to cost $5 billion per year, has had to be supplemented with hundreds of millions of dollars annually by Congress.
When the private sector can’t keep up with the demands of this federal mandate, this will leave the door wide open for the government to swoop in and “save our healthcare system.” Single-payer – which is the way Democrats say “complete and absolute control over your health care”, here we come!
Originally posted by marg6043
I would have taken your stance, with not problems if the health care was free, even if we had to pay more for entitlement programs or one was created for the purpose of supporting Universal health care, or just fix what we got already, but in this instance most of the money that Obama is going to utilized is going to the training and operations of the biggest scam artist of all, the health care industry and their mandated health care thanks to Obamacare, more money into the hands of private industries to gouge the tax payer, while enforcement offices will be operating to make sure you pay the dues.
Originally posted by relocator
reply to post by Eurisko2012
Tell me about it...my copay has gone from $25 to $40 and my deductible has gone from $500 to $1,000 thru my works group policy. We did let go about half our employees and this is one reason our company had to switch ins. plans. But after going through all the plans available this was the best they had to offer. And if you choose HMO you will pay an extra $500 deductible for out patient surgry where as with the ppo you don't have an extra out patient surgery copay. Crazy and confusing....oh and they're only giving you 4 days to make up your mind and turn in your paperwork. Geezzzz....
Originally posted by xuenchen
You seem to be assuming that most people have no insurance.
The fact is, most do.
AND, many are on Medicaid.
AND, the same ones on Medicaid now, will remain there !! right?
AND, many will be included in Medicaid soon enough as long as jobs continue to dwindle away.
AND, many employers will force the "exchange" plans to be implemented.
What exactly is wrong with the current system ?
Your post is based upon the ASS U ME d presumption that 'most' americans are on medicaid.
On Tuesday, the Congressional Budget Office released its 2012 estimate on the ten- year projected cost of the Affordable Care Act. Instantly, the anti-Obamacare crowd took to the airwaves and social media to proclaim that the numbers reveal the costs of the Affordable Care Act to be double what was promised when the law was passed.
Wow. That’s some scary stuff.
Good thing it is a complete and utter falsehood.
I suppose it should not come as a great surprise that the opponents of Obamacare would mobilize—given that the CBO report actually estimates a net decrease in the costs of health care reform totaling $51 billion when compared to last year’s estimates. The last thing those who oppose the law want is Candidate Obama running around the country talking about how the estimated cost of his landmark health care reform are actually going down.
Indeed, not only is the GOP pitch a gross distortion of the truth, this is one of those all too rare moments where I get to actually prove the meme to be nothing more than another effort to confuse Americans.
By simply asking you to read the report. It’s easy.
Another gimmick pushes much of the legislation’s costs off the federal budget and onto the private sector by requiring individuals and employers to purchase health insurance. When the bills force somebody to pay $10,000 to the government, the Congressional Budget Office treats that as a tax. When the government then hands that $10,000 to private insurers, the CBO counts that as government spending. But when the bills achieve the exact same outcome by forcing somebody to pay $10,000 directly to a private insurance company, it appears nowhere in the official CBO cost estimates — neither as federal revenues nor federal spending. That’s a sharp departure from how the CBO treated similar mandates in the Clinton health plan. And it hides maybe 60 percent of the legislation’s total costs. When I correct for that gimmick, it brings total costs to roughly $2.5 trillion (i.e., $1 trillion/0.4).
Here’s where things get really ugly. TPMDC’s Brian Beutler calls “the” $2.5-trillion cost estimate a “doozy” of a “hysterical Republican whopper.” Not only is he incorrect, he doesn’t seem to realize that Gregg and I are correcting for different budget gimmicks; it’s just a coincidence that we happened to reach the same number.
When we correct for both gimmicks, counting both on- and off-budget costs over the first 10 years of implementation, the total cost of ObamaCare reaches — I’m so sorry about this — $6.25 trillion. That’s not a precise estimate. It’s just far closer to the truth than President Obama and congressional Democrats want the debate to be.