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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
Having read the article and then going on to read the opinion of the court the following can be stated:
This is a case where the person(s) and organization did the incorrect action. This is not about anti religion, or anti-Christian, but about where one group failed to observe the law when it comes to doing a recall vote. The justices examined the claims of both sides, looked very carefully at the law and all precedents set before this case, and came to the conclusion that the group was wrong. Now it seems that the side that lost is still trying to fight, even though in a court, they lost.
Being civic minded is not a bad thing, nor is being faithful, however, the way that they decided to go about is just as important as the act itself. In this case, they failed to follow all of the laws and are being punished, not cause their claims are just or if they are right or wrong, but procedure and law must be followed. We are a nation of laws, and be it if we like it or not, we have to follow those laws. Do we ignore one set of laws, failing to follow them cause they are inconvenient or do we follow them no matter what and seek to change those laws with in the structures provided? The structure for challenging the laws are very clear cut, and while it may take a bit to get the laws rescinded or changed, it is possible and ultimately what is the uproar over? One group that does not like another group wants to take away benefits to them, the start of discrimination. After all of the lawsuits out there, you would think that they would have found a more clever way to do this, or even tried to do something unique, like wait till 2013, when the mayor was no longer up for the office, and could no longer hold it and put people in that would support their view point. After all that would probably have been a lot easier, saved a lot of money and ultimately would have been much more productive than the way that they did it.
And if they are continuing said actions, after everything has settled, and are trying to continue on their illegal actions, should those charged with governing ignore that fact, or to take steps and ultimately stop them? This is not a case of those who are of one faith being persecuted, it is a case of those who are of one faith breaking the law and are now under the eye of the public, the courts and the justice system.
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Nana2
This ignores an even bigger question:
What gives these people the right to "decide" this for their community?
What happened to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"? Or does that only apply to straight, Christian folks in this country?
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
Having read the article and then going on to read the opinion of the court the following can be stated:
This is a case where the person(s) and organization did the incorrect action. This is not about anti religion, or anti-Christian, but about where one group failed to observe the law when it comes to doing a recall vote. The justices examined the claims of both sides, looked very carefully at the law and all precedents set before this case, and came to the conclusion that the group was wrong. Now it seems that the side that lost is still trying to fight, even though in a court, they lost.
Being civic minded is not a bad thing, nor is being faithful, however, the way that they decided to go about is just as important as the act itself. In this case, they failed to follow all of the laws and are being punished, not cause their claims are just or if they are right or wrong, but procedure and law must be followed. We are a nation of laws, and be it if we like it or not, we have to follow those laws. Do we ignore one set of laws, failing to follow them cause they are inconvenient or do we follow them no matter what and seek to change those laws with in the structures provided? The structure for challenging the laws are very clear cut, and while it may take a bit to get the laws rescinded or changed, it is possible and ultimately what is the uproar over? One group that does not like another group wants to take away benefits to them, the start of discrimination. After all of the lawsuits out there, you would think that they would have found a more clever way to do this, or even tried to do something unique, like wait till 2013, when the mayor was no longer up for the office, and could no longer hold it and put people in that would support their view point. After all that would probably have been a lot easier, saved a lot of money and ultimately would have been much more productive than the way that they did it.
And if they are continuing said actions, after everything has settled, and are trying to continue on their illegal actions, should those charged with governing ignore that fact, or to take steps and ultimately stop them? This is not a case of those who are of one faith being persecuted, it is a case of those who are of one faith breaking the law and are now under the eye of the public, the courts and the justice system.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Nana2
This ignores an even bigger question:
What gives these people the right to "decide" this for their community?
What happened to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"? Or does that only apply to straight, Christian folks in this country?
Yep, it's definitely unconstitutional. I hope the Supreme Court gets to rule on this type of discrimination in the near future, so we can be done with all this crap.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
Thank you for actually looking at the facts of this situation. I am saddened to see threads like this where someone jumps on the "they're out to get us" bandwagon without actually searching for the truth of the matter. Fake news organizations like WND should NOT be taken as absolute truth. Like other extreme groups (on the right and on the left), they will spin things to promote their agenda.
Originally posted by Nana2
Ummm, how about a little thing called the majority of voters? It was put to a vote, the majority of the people voted AGAINST it. Elected officials, a handful of the people that is, decided they wanted soemthing different from the MAJORITY. In most countries that is called SOCIALISM.
Originally posted by Nana2
I really hoped this thread could have been as I asked and not turned into anything except what it is , a handful of elected officials going against the majority of the people's wishes, and the dangerous precedent that this could set.
But noooo... once again liberals want to spin it as they wish to showcase an agenda.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by Nana2
Ummm, how about a little thing called the majority of voters? It was put to a vote, the majority of the people voted AGAINST it. Elected officials, a handful of the people that is, decided they wanted soemthing different from the MAJORITY. In most countries that is called SOCIALISM.
The majority of voters decided to ban interracial marriages in most states, until the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional. Now interracial marriages are allowed in ALL states, as they should be.
In this case, this group went against proper procedures, so they got busted for it. When the Supreme Court rules that discrimination against gays is unconstitutional, this stuff will have to stop.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by Nana2
I really hoped this thread could have been as I asked and not turned into anything except what it is , a handful of elected officials going against the majority of the people's wishes, and the dangerous precedent that this could set.
But noooo... once again liberals want to spin it as they wish to showcase an agenda.
No, you really hoped that everyone would agree with you on this thread, but that's not the way it works on ATS. You want everyone to agree with you, go post on some far-right forum.
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Nana2
This ignores an even bigger question:
What gives these people the right to "decide" this for their community?
What happened to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"? Or does that only apply to straight, Christian folks in this country?
Yep, it's definitely unconstitutional. I hope the Supreme Court gets to rule on this type of discrimination in the near future, so we can be done with all this crap.
Ummm, how about a little thing called the majority of voters? It was put to a vote, the majority of the people voted AGAINST it. Elected officials, a handful of the people that is, decided they wanted soemthing different from the MAJORITY. In most countries that is called SOCIALISM.