listen to this priest's passionate homily about the mandate and obama-care

reply to post by colbe


I visit religious threads because it is the religious people who seek to limit rights and freedoms, and legislate their world view into law. I also visit threads that promote this kind of bigotry even when it doesn't fall under the god guise.

I will argue on behalf of homosexuals, sex education, birth control and abortion, to keep creationism out of public schools and any other religiously based attempt to sit on other peoples rights.

As a result of my visiting these threads, my faith in the sanity of humanity is restored when I meet like minded people, and I enjoy the links that they provide to subjects that I'm interested in, like reincarnation and other mystery teachings, like astrology, Kabbalah and the Tarot and ancient religions and myths.

Additionally, if my outspokenness frees even one person from the ignorant shackles of religion, it will be worth it.

Originally posted by windword
No one is taking away a Catholic's right to refuse birth control, the church is seeking to deny women who want it access.

Likewise, no one, not even the Catholic church, is refusing or otherwise denying women access to birth control. They just don't want to pay for it. Huge difference and attempting to equate the two is hilariously and patently disingenuous.

Walmart has $4 prescriptions. Planned Parenthood has free or deeply discounted contraceptives. No one's access is being denied.

This is about an assault on the Constitution, plain and simple.

reply to post by WTFover


The assault is on women's reproductive rights! Period!

The Constitution doesn't apply when the church goes onto the insurance business instead of the churching business.

Originally posted by windword
The Constitution doesn't apply...

My, oh my. Those few words say a whole lot about the foundation of your position.

reply to post by WTFover


They can't hide behind religious freedom If they want to put their nasty fingers in secular business. They need to get out of the insurance business and concentrate on the "churching" business.

reply to post by WTFover


So let's try this first amendment argument. By your logic I can claim that my employees only have to pray to feel well, as modern medicine goes against my religion, thus exempting me from covering them with health insurance.

When Dale and Leilani Neumann prayed instead of taking their 11 year old daughter to the doctor, this was an exercise of their right to practice their religion. When that 11 year old daughter died what would you have done? Shrug it off as it's all about 'freedom' to do whatever you want in America, including letting your own children die?

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe

 

I visit religious threads because it is the religious people who seek to limit rights and freedoms, and legislate their world view into law. I also visit threads that promote this kind of bigotry even when it doesn't fall under the god guise.

I will argue on behalf of homosexuals, sex education, birth control and abortion, to keep creationism out of public schools and any other religiously based attempt to sit on other peoples rights.

As a result of my visiting these threads, my faith in the sanity of humanity is restored when I meet like minded people, and I enjoy the links that they provide to subjects that I'm interested in, like reincarnation and other mystery teachings, like astrology, Kabbalah and the Tarot and ancient religions and myths.

Additionally, if my outspokenness frees even one person from the ignorant shackles of religion, it will be worth it.

"Faith in humanity"...is that ever an error windword.

Other thread, you disgustingly describe sodomy. You'll see the "act" a lot literally, if you do not change WW.

I pray for your soul, you defend everything satanic. What you going to
do when God shows you, you've been wrong.

And your defense, all for liberty, the right to do something evil.


so sad, you need the "grace" now to change,


colbe

reply to post by colbe

Other thread, you disgustingly describe sodomy. You'll see the "act" a lot literally, if you do not change WW.

Careful, you don't want to go off topic and turn this thread into a homosexual issues thread. If certain questions about homosexuality disgust you, I suggest you stop wading knee deep into those threads.

What do you mean I'll "see the act literally" if I don't change? A you trying to place some Catholic punishment on me?

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe

 

Other thread, you disgustingly describe sodomy. You'll see the "act" a lot literally, if you do not change WW.

Careful, you don't want to go off topic and turn this thread into a homosexual issues thread. If certain questions about homosexuality disgust you, I suggest you stop wading knee deep into those threads.

What do you mean I'll "see the act literally" if I don't change? A you trying to place some Catholic punishment on me?

edit on 11-3-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)

What? You were the one
to bring up "sodomy" here. Ich...the defense of it.

The reason you didn't include your words in quote, again.

Stay on topic in my other thread would you, arguing Christ isn't divine with NTT. The thread is about the false claim Catholicism is pagan.

Why would I want to "punish" you? My comment went way over your head.


God bless you windword,


colbe

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by WTFover

 

The assault is on women's reproductive rights! Period!

The Constitution doesn't apply when the church goes onto the insurance business instead of the churching business.

edit on 10-3-2012 by windword because: ocd

Orphanages, hospitals and schools are places of good, they benefit humanity. Your "churching business" slam makes you look ignorant.

Sometimes these places are so large, they have to self insure. So
your comment about the Church going into the "insurance business" is dumb too.

The BHO mandate is an assault on life and religious freedom.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by WTFover

 

They can't hide behind religious freedom If they want to put their nasty fingers in secular business. They need to get out of the insurance business and concentrate on the "churching" business.

edit on 10-3-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)

And, I suppose, you wish to retain the sole power to determine what qualifies as "churching business"? Does operating charitable facilities, such as hospitals, satisfy your definition? Fortunately, jobs are created by the establishment of these hospitals and those employees are granted benefits, which includes health care coverage. Are you suggesting the church, as an employer, should not provide these benefits? Or, should they not engage in projects which create jobs?

Are you not aware that all employers, religious or secular, limit health care benefits in one way or another? Why do you think this is the battle that has been chosen, rather than the hundreds or even thousands of restrictions in other employer supplemented or provided insurance coverages? Because... It's not about that. It is all about pissing on the Constitution and the elitist assault on religious freedoms.

reply to post by links234

Please see my last reply to windword... If you are suggesting no employer have the prerogative to determine the health care insurance coverage it will provide (and thereby proving your intention is really not against religion), then I demand my insurance cover my use of a witch doctor or even a faith healer.

It's not the Obama Administration that's trampling the Constitution. It's the RCC. They are the ones that seeks to insert themselves and their doctrine over, not only their congregation, but over their sphere of influence in the secular market.

What about a Muslim Fundamentalist employer that wants to apply Sharia Law, under the stewardship of his employees and their physical well being? The examples of questionable assertion of religious rights doesn't end!

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by WTFover

 

They can't hide behind religious freedom If they want to put their nasty fingers in secular business. They need to get out of the insurance business and concentrate on the "churching" business.

edit on 10-3-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)

I think this whole argument can be settled by this biz angle. If you're going to go into biz, you have to follow certain rules. Such as - Catholic Hospitals will be required to have stair cases and elevators just like any other structure and cannot circumvent the building codes by saying 'we believe Jesus and Angels will fly people up and down through the floors'. Um, no. Pretty sure that wouldn't be allowed.

The biggest thing that negates the whole Catholic argument on this to me is - they accept federal money at most, if not all, of their hospitals. Research grants, funding, fed student aid at their medical schools - therefor - they must conform to fed guidelines.

If they don't, and I agree with Windword, they should stick to running churches and get out of any other types of biz.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by colbe
It is 11 minutes long, he spells it out. He's a priest and a lawyer so he
could read through Obama's and this Healthcare -haah- doublespeak.


www.youtube.com...

..."and the ultimate goal behind this is exposed, for the United States of America to come one step closer to socialism and in every country
that has become socialistic, religion has become peripheral."

The RCC's teaching for 2000 years hasn't changed on contraception because it is God's truth. You have free will to reject God's truth. Mortal sin clouds a person's conscience, you won't see Obama's mandate takes away a person's freedom either.

Jesus gave us a remedy, John 20:23. True repentance and confession of our sins to God. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession.

The control of our country by first controlling health care, BHO's plan is so much worse, it's diabolical. His plan includes the implantation of the micro-chip.

That is HR 3200 Section 2521 Page 1001, paragraph 1 of Obama's health care.

It isn't set yet, we can vote for a man who is godly to be President not Obama "light."


colbe

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by WTFover

 

Birth control is approved by the FDA as a safe and necessary drug. Further, a mandate has been placed to regulate insurance carrier coverage to, among other things, include birth control. If the Catholic Church wants to be an insurance company as well as a church, then it must follow the regulatory laws.

There are lot of things that religions demand, like stoning loose women, but it's illegal regardless of religion. Should a Jehovah's Witness employer be able refuse to cover blood transfusions to a non believer employee? The Church's reach should not go beyond its congregation.

No one is taking away a Catholic's right to refuse birth control, the church is seeking to deny women who want it access. The insurance business is not the religion business. They clash. So the RCC should get out of the business, if it offends them to comply with the regulation.

Stating falsehoods, you're totally blind, example, defending the man who approves of infanticide. Obama has no right to "regulate" anything. This is his idea not the FDA or the Church.

The "pill" causes breast cancer, blood clots, leftist's God, science has
proved it.

The Church reveals God's truth, you reject it. Fine. No one is forcing you to believe. The RCC isn't in the insurance business, you can't come up with anything else so you repeat for the upmteenth time.

reply to post by Zinky


How about this... If you don't like the way they do things, don't go there. If you don't like their religion, don't go there. (I don't. As a matter of fact, I don't go to any church, but I will fight tirelessly for their religious freedoms, just as I will for yours).

If you don't like the way they run their hospitals, don't go there.

If you don't like their employer provided benefits, don't work there.

But, to try to make them conform to your belief system, or the lack thereof, is blatantly hypocritical. It's not all about you. The world doesn't have to change because you want it to and you don't have to change because the world wants you to. Just stay the hell out of the way.

ETA: Oh, and just because you decide you want to view it from the "biz angle", doesn't negate the Constitution.

Originally posted by colbe

The control of our country by first controlling health care, BHO's plan is so much worse, it's diabolical. His plan includes the implantation of the micro-chip. That is HR 3200 Section 2521 Page 1001, paragraph 1 of Obama's health care.

It isn't set yet, we can vote for a man who is godly to be President not Obama "light."


colbe

How come no one is commenting about the above? The benefits of Obama care. Maybe, because it's pure evil.

I should post it in the BHO is the anti-Christ thread.

Romney and Obama, neither are Christian. Scary...