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listen to this priest's passionate homily about the mandate and obama-care

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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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It is 11 minutes long, he spells it out. He's a priest and a lawyer so he
could read through Obama's and this Healthcare -haah- doublespeak.


www.youtube.com...




posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
It is 11 minutes long, he spells it out. He's a priest and a lawyer so he
could read through Obama's and this Healthcare -haah- doublespeak.


www.youtube.com...



..."and the ultimate goal behind this is exposed, for the United States of America to come one step closer to socialism and in every country
that has become socialistic, religion has become peripheral."



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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I could only listen to six minutes of that morally repugnant priest's political trolling and his rant agaisnt woman's reproductive rights. The RCC should lose tax exemption for politically brainwashing of its "captive audience," the forced masses of the Catholic congregation.

The church is so divorced from its own people that it has to go such desperate and cunning lengths to assert its holy hypocrisy even unto those who aren't Catholic but are at the mercy of the church whether they like it or not. The RCC is setting a precedent that divorces the entire population of adequate health care based on personal religious views so that virtually any employer, at any time, could deny health coverage to it's employee such as a blood transfusion, or even a flu shot based on that employers personal belief.

Religion has no place in government. Government has every right to regulate and set standards for what adequate health equates. Obama has given the church a waiver, why can't they just leave it alone, and stop attacking women's reproductive rights?
edit on 10-3-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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As long as everybody is willing to pay the thieves their prices.

So many are uninformed about the robbery that's taking place as we speak.

Where exactly will we get the cash from ?

These guys want cash, not our good looks !

There are no loan guarantees for the "patients" that I know of.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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If your family is covered by any non "self insured Catholic subsidiary", like Kaiser, Blue Shield, Humana, etc., birth control is already covered. This isn't about money or taxes, it's about attacking women's reproductive rights. And it's a (non) religious issue that the Catholic church is blatantly using as a political ploy to attack the Obama administration during an election year, as such they should be fined or loose their tax exempt status



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by xuenchen
 

If your family is covered by any non "self insured Catholic subsidiary", like Kaiser, Blue Shield, Humana, etc., birth control is already covered. This isn't about money or taxes, it's about attacking women's reproductive rights. And it's a (non) religious issue that the Catholic church is blatantly using as a political ploy to attack the Obama administration during an election year, as such they should be fined or loose their tax exempt status


If that is true, why the mandate? Obama has no right to tell the Church
what to do or change it to telling the Insurance companies what they have to cover.

"Reproductive rights" is BS -excuse me-. God decides life. Don't wait till your particular judgment to finally acknowledge the fact, it will be too late.

When BHO took office he promised the bishops the "conscience clause"
would not be touched. I



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by windword
I could only listen to six minutes of that morally repugnant priest's political trolling and his rant agaisnt woman's reproductive rights. The RCC should lose tax exemption for politically brainwashing of its "captive audience," the forced masses of the Catholic congregation.

The church is so divorced from its own people that it has to go such desperate and cunning lengths to assert its holy hypocrisy even unto those who aren't Catholic but are at the mercy of the church whether they like it or not. The RCC is setting a precedent that divorces the entire population of adequate health care based on personal religious views so that virtually any employer, at any time, could deny health coverage to it's employee such as a blood transfusion, or even a flu shot based on that employers personal belief.

Religion has no place in government. Government has every right to regulate and set standards for what adequate health equates. Obama has given the church a waiver, why can't they just leave it alone, and stop attacking women's reproductive rights?
edit on 10-3-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)


Government has no place in Religion.

Obama is a con, he lies, he is "Herod" in the oval office, literally.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by xuenchen
 

If your family is covered by any non "self insured Catholic subsidiary", like Kaiser, Blue Shield, Humana, etc., birth control is already covered. This isn't about money or taxes, it's about attacking women's reproductive rights. And it's a (non) religious issue that the Catholic church is blatantly using as a political ploy to attack the Obama administration during an election year, as such they should be fined or loose their tax exempt status


If that is true, why the mandate? Obama has no right to tell the Church
what to do or change it to telling the Insurance companies what they have to cover.

"Reproductive rights" is BS -excuse me-. God decides life. Don't wait till your particular judgment to finally acknowledge the fact, it will be too late.

When BHO took office he promised the bishops the "conscience clause"
would not be touched. I


If the Catholic Church wants to be in the insurance business, then they need to follow federal regulations that mandate woman's reproductive coverage, among other things.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 06:44 AM
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If a very high percentage of women now use birth control,
and they somehow pay for it (as hard as that sounds),

What is the problem ??

Exactly how many women are NOT able to use bc because of money ?

Does anyone know the real number ?



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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reply to post by xuenchen
 


All the women I know are covered for BC by their employer's health insurance plan, with a copay. What about you? Is your family covered for BC?



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by xuenchen
 


All the women I know are covered for BC by their employer's health insurance plan, with a copay. What about you? Is your family covered for BC?


Yes.

But that is not answering the question.

But that's OK just the same.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by windword
If the Catholic Church wants to be in the insurance business, then they need to follow federal regulations that mandate woman's reproductive coverage, among other things.


If they want to???? Under Obama's rule, what does want have to do with anything? Are you familiar with the word "mandate"? Maybe you should look that one up.

Then, while you are doing your research, read a short segment of the US Constitution, known as the First Amendment. I don't care how many ways you try to spin the debate, you cannot get away from the fact that the First Amendment is the decisive victor. And, no one "needs to follow federal regulations", which violate the Constitution.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by xuenchen
 

If your family is covered by any non "self insured Catholic subsidiary", like Kaiser, Blue Shield, Humana, etc., birth control is already covered. This isn't about money or taxes, it's about attacking women's reproductive rights. And it's a (non) religious issue that the Catholic church is blatantly using as a political ploy to attack the Obama administration during an election year, as such they should be fined or loose their tax exempt status


If that is true, why the mandate? Obama has no right to tell the Church
what to do or change it to telling the Insurance companies what they have to cover.

"Reproductive rights" is BS -excuse me-. God decides life. Don't wait till your particular judgment to finally acknowledge the fact, it will be too late.

When BHO took office he promised the bishops the "conscience clause"
would not be touched. I


God also gave a woman free will. Her body belongs to her and nobody has the right to tell her what to do with it.

The church complains about paying birth control but never says anything about paying for sexual stimulants for men.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 08:55 AM
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If the RCC finds it so repugnant to offer their employees comprehensive health coverage, according to the law, then they SHOULD get out of the insurance business and turn the responsibility over to someone who can comply, and meet the needs of women who are seeking to use "repugnant" birth control.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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reply to post by colbe
 


Then religious institutions can start paying taxes like the rest of us.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by WTFover
 

If the RCC finds it so repugnant to offer their employees comprehensive health coverage, according to the law, then they SHOULD get out of the insurance business and turn the responsibility over to someone who can comply, and meet the needs of women who are seeking to use "repugnant" birth control.


Ooooh, big word, "rupgnant." It doesn't fit here. How many hospitals throughout history are named after a saint? The RCC has always been
for good health and assurance of health coverage for employees, for
everyone actually.

They do not want to pay for something totally against God. Abortion and
the rest mandated by our President, abortifaciants...the contraceptive "pill" and a stronger form, the "morning after pill." Can't forget sterilization,
it's most likely demanded too.

The culture of death is not going to be around much longer.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Then, instead of them forcing their beliefs onto their employees, they should get out of the insurance business. What are they doing self insuring themselves anyway? Contract the insurance to a valid insurance carrier, problem solved.

They can preach the evils of contraception from the pulpit and stay out of politics. Apparently, they need to concentrate on convincing their own membership, as over 90% of all Catholic women and used contraception.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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That's such a rational argument.

What is it you don't like about the First Amendment? Or is it the entire Constitution that is the problem? Because the debate is not about "women's health", even though you and all the other liberals want to spin it that way.

Here it is:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You can read more about it here.

I apologize if that burned out your retinas.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
 


Then, instead of them forcing their beliefs onto their employees, they should get out of the insurance business. What are they doing self insuring themselves anyway? Contract the insurance to a valid insurance carrier, problem solved.

They can preach the evils of contraception from the pulpit and stay out of politics. Apparently, they need to concentrate on convincing their own membership, as over 90% of all Catholic women and used contraception.


You're not going to put up my response, chicken...tee hee.

Going against God windword so my question for you, are your anti-Catholic posts going to save you? Your hitting all the faith threads, you must be bothered.

Where did you get the "90 percent?" The studies are skewed. I'll give you most of the world is contracepting which is a form of abortion. That's why one of the inventors of the "pill" condemns it now. He sees the horrid damage, it's multiple, health wise for both sexes, the environment and demographically besides the eternal consequences unless repented of and confessed to God.

It doesn't matter if it was "99% of all Catholic women", contraception
is still an intrinsic evil, that's from God.

You choose. I pray you change.

Read Catholic writing, a Catholic Bible, the Catechism, the writings of
the saints. Put in your search first...Catholic Apologetics and then the
subject. Here's the translation of the first Bible, in English:

www.drbo.org...



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Birth control is approved by the FDA as a safe and necessary drug. Further, a mandate has been placed to regulate insurance carrier coverage to, among other things, include birth control. If the Catholic Church wants to be an insurance company as well as a church, then it must follow the regulatory laws.

There are lot of things that religions demand, like stoning loose women, but it's illegal regardless of religion. Should a Jehovah's Witness employer be able refuse to cover blood transfusions to a non believer employee? The Church's reach should not go beyond its congregation.

No one is taking away a Catholic's right to refuse birth control, the church is seeking to deny women who want it access. The insurance business is not the religion business. They clash. So the RCC should get out of the business, if it offends them to comply with the regulation.



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