Let's Cut to the Chase - Is it time to Stop Obama?

reply to post by xuenchen

He has told many lies. He has broken many promises while keeping only a few that many view as miniscule at best.

Since you seem to base your entire thread on this false premise...I'll just go ahead and show you the numbers.

www.politifact.com...

Total Promises: 508

Promisese Broken 63

That is a 12%....it is so clear that Obama has broken very few promises. And if we analyze some of these broken promises...we see that they were only broken because they were blocked by Republicans.

Promisese Kept, Compromised, or are in the works: 376

That is 74%...let me repeat that 74%. You can continue to try to spread this lie...but it's not working...people are understanding that this type of talk is coming straight from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh...and people are starting to understand that those two are flat out liars.

Further...if you look at promises politifact has rated as "broken"...some are rated as that because the program that Obama implemented did everything Obama promised...but politifact thought it could go further. Example:

www.politifact.com...

Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
Create a $10 billion fund to help homeowners refinance or sell their homes. "The Fund will not help speculators, people who bought vacation homes or people who falsely represented their incomes."
...
When it comes to President Barack Obama's promise to create a foreclosure prevention fund, he's kept to the letter of law, but his administration has completely failed to meet its spirit. For that, we're moving this our rating to Promise Broken.


Let us explain.

Back during the campaign, Obama said he would create a $10 billion fund to help homeowners facing foreclosure. "Too many families are unable to refinance because no one will lend to them, and they are unable to sell their homes because the housing market has fallen," reads as statement of policy from Obama's 2008 campaign. "As president, Obama will fight to ensure more Americans can achieve and protect the dream of home ownership." We named it one of our top promises, among the most significant campaign pledges Obama made.
...
As of January 2011, the program had given permanent loan modifications to only about 500,000 homeowners.

So they rate it a failure because he "ONLY" helped half a million home owners


Other broken promises...like closing Guantanamo Bay....it is only broken because Republicans blocking it. Republicans created fear around this issue, telling communities where the prisoners were going to be transfered to that they would be the number one target for the next terrorists attack. Republicans were the terrorists in this case...the definition of a terrorists is one who spreads terror...that was Republicans on this issue.


But you wanted to see some promises he has kept that people are happy about....here you go.

Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq

End the use of torture

Reform mandatory minimum sentences

Strengthen antitrust enforcement

Create new financial regulations

Sign a "universal" health care bill

Establish a credit card bill of rights

Expand loan programs for small businesses

Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan

Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions

Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums

Fully fund the Violence Against Women Act

End the "Stop-loss" program of forcing troops to stay in service beyond their expected commitments

Provide affordable, high-quality child care

Reform No Child Left Behind

Expand Pell grants for low-income students

I could continue...I'm only about 1/4 of the way through of his kept promises...but I think you should get the point by now.

So please...keep bring up Obama's broken promises...it is such an easy lie from Obama haters to debunk.

The fact is that Obama has a ton of accomplishments to campaign on...and keep in mind his campaign hasn't even started yet. He is still fundraising. And you don't even want me to start to list the "promises" that are currently in the works and are only not passed yet because of active Republican blockage. Obama will make these a center piece of his campaign...to show what could be if Republicans weren't stalling everything.

The thing that many people fail to realize is that it doesn't matter who we have as president or in congress because we live under a government that is comprised of 2 major parties, Republicrats and Democans and niether party or their members are truly putting the interest of the citizens first. The 2 party system that is destroying our nation is exactly what Madison and Hamilton were warning us about in Federalist 47 when they wrote of the dangers of "Factions" in government.

Personally I am sick and tired of the constant arguing over whose better, demo's or repubs. The only entity either of them are concerned with serving or protecting is the self serving, mostly tyrannical government that they have instituted over 75+ years of endless lies and deceit. People need to realize that we live during a time of entertainment politics where each party goes against each other in public and says they are fighting for the betterment of the people and that the opposing party is wrong and power hungry. However at the end of the day, behind closed doors they are all buddies. Its nothing more than an elaborate play of good cop, bad cop.

Just look at how many laws and regulations have been passed over the years by both parties that are blatantly against the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land and is the document that regulates power over government, sets limit on government, and insures that our government doesn't acquire so much power that it becomes tyrannical.

Niether of our 2 prominent parties have any respect for the constitution and therefore it can not be said that they have respect for the people that elected them into office since the first line of the constitution reads "We The People".

Personally I think 90% of those in office need to be syopped right along with the long list of unconstitutional laws that they have enacted that seek to destroy our personal liberties and sovereignty.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by beezzer

 

So get rid of one fascist to get another?

There is no redemption in 2012

Then vote 3rd party, write in a candidate! The system is flawed, but if we do nothing then those SOB's in DC win!

Why vote at all when they do not count? It only gives credence to a fraudulent system as if it makes some sort of difference. Most people do not even realize there is no popular vote for president at all... Yet they participate in this fraud every cycle thinking they are voting for a president. Its a joke!

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by beezzer

 

So get rid of one fascist to get another?

There is no redemption in 2012

Then vote 3rd party, write in a candidate! The system is flawed, but if we do nothing then those SOB's in DC win!

Why vote at all when they do not count? It only gives credence to a fraudulent system as if it makes some sort of difference. Most people do not even realize there is no popular vote for president at all... Yet they participate in this fraud every cycle thinking they are voting for a president. Its a joke!

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Exactly! People should know that their vote doesn't count and this is all a charade.
Instead of voting, practice shooting things with your kids or work on your sustainable living situation.
We need to quit living in this game and drop out. Learn to live without the need nor the care of who is in charge.
F TPTB

Originally posted by jdb51
Oh come on....You are trying to blame all of this on Obama? With the sitting Congress, they can't decide on whether to cross the street! He is thwarted at every turn, and whenever he isn't, he caves...

But the world we live in today is NOT all Obama's fault!

Another waterboy for Obama trying to blame Bush. How long has Obama had to CHANGE things? What has he actually done to make things better in this country? Nothing. He has made them worse. On his own. Without the help of any Republicans. He has had plenty of time to forge his own legacy and that is the only thing he has succeeded at - his legacy is that he is inept and a total failure.

So stop with the excuses. Obama can't even make any, so why would you do it for him?

reply to post by xuenchen


The title of the thread should have been let's cut through the BS

1. Let's talk about the War under the Obama regime namely Libya,Somalia,Yemen,Pakistan,Uganda and then Iraq and Afghanistan. Then let's talk about the billions that are still going to Egypt and then Gitmo still open and spending $750 million dollars on a soccer field.

And then we can talk about expansion of the Patriot Act and SOPA. the NDAA.

Let's get real the past presidential term of the messiah make the Righties look like saints.

2. Spent 1 trillion dollars on nothing but bailing out UNIONS AND CORPORATIONS CRONY capitalism at its finest. Like Lightsquared,Solyndra, GM and the Volt.

Yep those evil righties could have learned some more from the most corrupt adminstration in us history.

3 The economy is not doing fine over 50 million on welfare another 25 million unemployed which makes 75 million whose sole support is the Government. The housing market still has not recovered. Then of course we have the frank dodd act that increase Goverment powers that did NOT fix a damn thing but is making things worse. Then we have the credit downgrade and the debt ceiling has been raised agian not once but twice.

4. When the left holds 2 branches of Government which makes them a minority they haven't stopped anything.

5. Obamacare that is costing American citizens more in coverage and forcing them to buy something if they could already have afforded buy in the first place.

6. Since people want to bring up tax breaks and credits let' talk about the over 3 trillion the middle clas and the poor receive then let's talk about the trillions they get from Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid and free school loans, and other Government subsidies.


7 The stupidity of blaming Bush is ridiculous considering Obama has killed more spent more and expanded Government power and has wasted more tax payer dollars. The simple fact Obama has done worse than Bush ever did.

8. Fast and furious and Gunwalker are on Obama and his henchmen seems only obama can get away with murder.


Obama is a complete failure and this nation is screw even more and all they can do is Blame Bush?

Ridiculous since the man in the oval office is named Obama.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

www.politifact.com...

Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
Create a $10 billion fund to help homeowners refinance or sell their homes. "The Fund will not help speculators, people who bought vacation homes or people who falsely represented their incomes."
...
When it comes to President Barack Obama's promise to create a foreclosure prevention fund, he's kept to the letter of law, but his administration has completely failed to meet its spirit. For that, we're moving this our rating to Promise Broken.


Let us explain.

Back during the campaign, Obama said he would create a $10 billion fund to help homeowners facing foreclosure. "Too many families are unable to refinance because no one will lend to them, and they are unable to sell their homes because the housing market has fallen," reads as statement of policy from Obama's 2008 campaign. "As president, Obama will fight to ensure more Americans can achieve and protect the dream of home ownership." We named it one of our top promises, among the most significant campaign pledges Obama made.
...
As of January 2011, the program had given permanent loan modifications to only about 500,000 homeowners.

So they rate it a failure because he "ONLY" helped half a million home owners

Not a bad rebuttal, but the source continues ...

"With millions of homeowners still struggling to stay in their homes, the Obama administration"s $75 billion foreclosure prevention program has been weakened, perhaps fatally, by lax oversight and a posture of cooperation—rather than enforcement—with the nation's biggest banks," ProPublica reported. "Those banks, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase, and Citibank, service the majority of mortgages."

As we were considering whether to change the rating on this promise, the special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, Neil M. Barofsky, penned a damning op-ed in the New York Times, calling the housing program "a colossal failure," blaming a lack of enforcement on the part of the U.S. Treasury Department.

"Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has acknowledged that the program ‘won't come close' to fulfilling its original expectations, that its incentives are not ‘powerful enough' and that the mortgage servicers are ‘still doing a terribly inadequate job,;" Barofsky wrote. "But Treasury officials refuse to address these shortfalls. Instead they continue to stubbornly maintain that the program is a success and needs no material change, effectively assuring that Treasury's most specific Main Street promise will not be honored."

The evidence has been mounting for some time that the foreclosure prevention fund has fallen far short of its goals. If it ever rights itself, we'd certainly be willing to reconsider our rating. But today, it hasn't helped many homeowners faced with losing their houses. We conclude it's a Promise Broken.

There are more links in the original point.


from another opinion ...

when the Home Affordable Modification Program was announced with the promise to help up to four million families with mortgage modifications.

That program has been a colossal failure, with far fewer permanent modifications (540,000) than modifications that have failed and been canceled (over 800,000). This is the well-chronicled result of the rush to get the program started, major program design flaws like the failure to remedy mortgage servicers’ favoring of foreclosure over permanent modifications, and a refusal to hold those abysmally performing mortgage servicers accountable for their disregard of program guidelines. As the program flounders, foreclosures continue to mount, with 8 million to 13 million filings forecast over the program’s lifetime.
Where the Bailout Went Wrong (NYTimes opinion)

and of course, the program has not made a positive long lasting impact of the majority of Americans !!

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Other broken promises...like closing Guantanamo Bay....it is only broken because Republicans blocking it. Republicans created fear around this issue, telling communities where the prisoners were going to be transfered to that they would be the number one target for the next terrorists attack. Republicans were the terrorists in this case...the definition of a terrorists is one who spreads terror...that was Republicans on this issue.

Obama made an Executive Order about Gitmo.

There does not seem to be any "Republican" influences.
(But I don't doubt there may have been some behind the scenes pressure)


from PolitiFact:Obama announces changes to Guantanamo detention policy

On March 7, 2011, President Barack Obama signed an executive order making a number of changes to policies regarding those detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. In a reversal of his previous policy, the order resumes military trials for Gitmo detainees. It also establishes a "periodic review" process for for long-held Guantanamo detainees who have not been charged, convicted or designated for transfer, "but must continue to be detained because they 'in effect, remain at war with the United States,'" according to a White House fact-sheet.

The new policy was viewed by many media outlets as an acknowledgment by the administration that it could not keep Obama's campaign promise to close the Guantanamo facility.

There are more links in the opinion.


And of course, this still has no positive impact on the majority of citizens either way.

in fact they now have a soccer field at Gitmo
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Stop him from what? Continuing to help the economy with policies that are clearly working?

No thanks. I think I will continue to support what clearly works.

It's not about stopping one man. It's about defeating an ideology. With the Republicans holding the House, the fascist ideology is now slowed to a crawl. There is a lot of damage to undo if the republicans can take the Senate and the W.H.

Too bad both parties are essentially working for the same "boss" and this is all part of the ever-shifting focus to keep the masses off balance and buy into the good-cop, bad-cop act.

This thread no doubt already has a red flag on it by TPTB. A better choice of words would be better, but I'm sure that you are talking about the election to come.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by jdb51
Oh come on....You are trying to blame all of this on Obama? With the sitting Congress, they can't decide on whether to cross the street! He is thwarted at every turn, and whenever he isn't, he caves...

But the world we live in today is NOT all Obama's fault!

Another waterboy for Obama trying to blame Bush. How long has Obama had to CHANGE things? What has he actually done to make things better in this country? Nothing. He has made them worse. On his own. Without the help of any Republicans. He has had plenty of time to forge his own legacy and that is the only thing he has succeeded at - his legacy is that he is inept and a total failure.

So stop with the excuses. Obama can't even make any, so why would you do it for him?

Give me a break!!! You watch Faux news, don't you? In what way have the Republicans NOT hindered ANYthing Obama tried to do! Bush's Republican party destroyed this country, he and his cronies, and you expect 1 man, Barack Obama personally, to work his magic and fix it? I'm no waterboy, but I call it like I see it. I am no fan of Obama, but he is powerless to do anything. It's how it's set up in Washington. It's all smoke and mirrors, folks. Who cares who wins this election? They are all the same. The election for dog catcher in Anytown, USA is more important that who gets elected president. They are marionettes being controlled by a much higher power, standing in the shadows behind the curtains. Change the channel!

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

But you wanted to see some promises he has kept that people are happy about....here you go.

Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq

End the use of torture

Reform mandatory minimum sentences

Strengthen antitrust enforcement

Create new financial regulations

None of the above did much for the American citizens in a big way as may have been intended.

It's more like what Congress did TO the public, not for us.

Congress gave all the money to the banks !!

The Iraq withdrawal was negotiated before Obama was in office.
U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement

He is definitely a Left Hegelian. The opposite side of the Capitalist coin. He is in because he supports the NWO. The NWO is Totalitarian in nature whether left or right. He even said he thinks everyone "should have a stake in the kind of World Order" he thinks everyone wants.

reply to post by jdb51


omg thank goodness the Republicans stopped him after obamacare. Any more and our Republic would be dead on arrival.

Originally posted by jdb51

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by jdb51
Oh come on....You are trying to blame all of this on Obama? With the sitting Congress, they can't decide on whether to cross the street! He is thwarted at every turn, and whenever he isn't, he caves...

But the world we live in today is NOT all Obama's fault!

Another waterboy for Obama trying to blame Bush. How long has Obama had to CHANGE things? What has he actually done to make things better in this country? Nothing. He has made them worse. On his own. Without the help of any Republicans. He has had plenty of time to forge his own legacy and that is the only thing he has succeeded at - his legacy is that he is inept and a total failure.

So stop with the excuses. Obama can't even make any, so why would you do it for him?

Give me a break!!! You watch Faux news, don't you? In what way have the Republicans NOT hindered ANYthing Obama tried to do! Bush's Republican party destroyed this country, he and his cronies, and you expect 1 man, Barack Obama personally, to work his magic and fix it? I'm no waterboy, but I call it like I see it. I am no fan of Obama, but he is powerless to do anything. It's how it's set up in Washington. It's all smoke and mirrors, folks. Who cares who wins this election? They are all the same. The election for dog catcher in Anytown, USA is more important that who gets elected president. They are marionettes being controlled by a much higher power, standing in the shadows behind the curtains. Change the channel!

FYI, I do not have cable. I get my data from a wide array of sources, both broadcast and online, and winnow the BS until I reach a reasonable conclusion based on logic. Fox news is not always right. CNN is not always wrong. Mainstream media is mostly a propaganda machine. But by and large, people like you sure do love to prop up this inept socialist and it pisses me off. I just call em like I see em, friend. I don't need the media to spoon-feed me which fairy tale to believe.

reply to post by AwakeinNM


Who is propping up Obama? I have already stated that I am not a fan. Why so angry? No wonder we are in such turmoil in the world. I just like to be fair...not argumentative. There's far too much of that going around. Glad you're so "informed" and enlightened. Good luck to you. I will not rise to the bait. "People like me" are entitled to our opinions, at least for now...

Originally posted by jdb51
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

Who is propping up Obama? I have already stated that I am not a fan. Why so angry? No wonder we are in such turmoil in the world. I just like to be fair...not argumentative. There's far too much of that going around. Glad you're so "informed" and enlightened. Good luck to you. I will not rise to the bait. "People like me" are entitled to our opinions, at least for now...

edit on 4-3-2012 by jdb51 because: decided my wording was "harsh"

edit on 4-3-2012 by jdb51 because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry... who is angry??

Give me a break!!! You watch Faux news, don't you? In what way have the Republicans NOT hindered ANYthing Obama tried to do! Bush's Republican party destroyed this country, he and his cronies, and you expect 1 man, Barack Obama personally, to work his magic and fix it?

Making baseless assumptions about my media consumption. Also, you've basically admitted that Obama is useless and impotent as a leader. At least you got that right.

We'll both live to argue another day, I am sure. You are entitled to your side of the argument, as am I. Sometimes, it's better to agree to disagree, rather than resort to personal attacks. I'm as tired of the current situation as you. I just have a different take on it, that's all. I just can't go around blaming one lone man for the state of the economy, wars, the job market, etc. We are all going through this together, with our own individual problems. I am certainly not on here to make enemies, only to be able to express my opinion, same as you. After a while, all this back-and-forth just gets redundant.

Originally posted by jdb51
We'll both live to argue another day, I am sure. You are entitled to your side of the argument, as am I. Sometimes, it's better to agree to disagree, rather than resort to personal attacks. I'm as tired of the current situation as you. I just have a different take on it, that's all. I just can't go around blaming one lone man for the state of the economy, wars, the job market, etc. We are all going through this together, with our own individual problems. I am certainly not on here to make enemies, only to be able to express my opinion, same as you. After a while, all this back-and-forth just gets redundant.

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edit on 5-3-2012 by jdb51 because: fleshed it out

Can't argue with that.