Have We Ever Lived In A "True Democracy"

reply to post by Nucleardiver
We are an Oligarchy,not a Democracy and we have been for a long time...

Oligarchy is a form of structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people.These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next... en.wikipedia.org...

Plutocracy is rule by the wealthy,or power provided by wealth.The combination of both Plutocracy and Oligarchy is called Plutarchy...en.wikipedia.org...

So in fact the USA is a Plutarchy,not a Democracy,Freedom is a spoon fed,media induced Lie and the best slaves are the ones who are told to think they are free...

reply to post by blocula


You are correct, that is what we are. However we are still told constantly that we are a "Democracy" and we were never designed to be either. As I stated as well as many others have, we were designed to be a Constitutional Republic.

I firmly believe that the idea of an Oligarchy is exactly what Madison was warning us about in Federalist #47 when he referred to "factions" in government and the dangers that controlling factions would have for the republic. The only reason that we have become and Oligarchy is because of the people and our general lack of interest in our duty to govern the government. It is also due to the fact that the people have forgotten the "serve during times of good behaviour" statement that was written in article 2 of the constitution concerning when elected representatives could serve.

We have become complacent as a people and have allowed way too much malfeasence to take place within our government and have thwarted our responsibilties and now we are paying the ultimate price which is the loss of control of our government and the loss of our soveriegnty from government. Those ideals have been replaced by government power over the people and the institution of soveriegn immunity of government from the people.

I usually just tell people that I feel we now live under a quasi-despotism system in that the government itself is the ultimate despot because the government has became so large that it has almost became its own entity kind of a collective consciousness of all the ill hearted representatives. However in trith we are living under an Oligarchy and nothing short of full blown revolution will change that, if revolution is even able to.

reply to post by Nucleardiver
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty and what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure"...Richard Henry Lee, Senator, First Congress, 1788...


"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world"...Daniel Webster


"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"...Edmund Burke


"Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them"...Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Whenever people entrust the defense of their country to a regular,standing army,composed of mercenaries,the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens"...A Framer in the Independent Gazetteer,1791

"We,the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts not to overthrow the Constitution,but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution"...Abraham Lincoln

"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns,the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege"...Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

"The Constitution of most of our states and of the United States assert that all power is inherent in the people, that they may exercise it by themselves,that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person,freedom of religion,freedom of property and freedom of press"...Thomas Jefferson

"Enlighten people generally and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day"...Thomas Jefferson

"Before a standing army can rule,the people must be disarmed,as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe...Noah Webster,1888

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword,because the whole of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be,on any pretense,raised in the United States"...Noah Webster,1888

reply to post by GuerillaFighter


A Democracy operates on the idea of majority rules. A Constitutional Republic protects the rights of the few against the wishes of many. Democracy is not our form of established government. And it never should be.