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Christians believe that they can not be Christians unless they are sinners, first and foremost.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Every old pagan religion has a Trinity of Father, Mother and Son.
That doesn't mean the God of the Bible isn't a Triune God, that just means satan is a counterfeiter.
Thats what i am saying. Our Triune God is 100% male, the catholic one...is God the Father, God the Mother and God the Son. hence that whole Mary being the "Queen of Heaven" spiel that goes all the way back to Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz.
That doesn't mean the God of the Bible isn't a Triune God, that just means satan is a counterfeiter.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That doesn't mean the God of the Bible isn't a Triune God, that just means satan is a counterfeiter.
In the bible, God, and His prophets and Jesus have all spoken many things directly... but the "trinity" is not one them. Instead, it is explicitly stated by God Himself, the prophets and Jesus that "God is one".
IMO, Going by these "direct" words is a healthier and more honest approach towards understanding what God, Jesus and the prophets wanted you to know.
So why ignore these directly spoken words and resort to stringing together other verses to reach a conclusion?
It also says a man and woman joined in marriage are also "one". That must mean they literally become one person?
You cant say that and not be a Trinitarian. Every doctrine in scripture is in different places said to have been done by the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit. It's hinted to often in the OT, it's overt in the NT, especially after Pentecost.
You're ignoring verses talking about the Son, and the Spirit.
This is one of the reasons I do not consider myself a Christian, because you and others representing Christianity negate the words of the One you claim to follow. I am not Catholic, please leave their mess out of this discussion. Christians, like yourself, claim that all you have to do is ask for forgiveness whenever you "so choose" to "mess up". Jesus, on the other hand, says that unless you forgive others for their sins against you, God will not forgive your sins against him. Often I wonder if y'all know the difference between condoning sin, and forgiving those who trespass against yourselves. I would love to have a discussion with a Christian that takes the teachings of Jesus into consideration, as a truth undeniable and irrefutable. My point stands, arguing the day of Jesus' birth is small bunions compared to the blatant disregard for the words of Jesus.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Wonders
Christians believe that they can not be Christians unless they are sinners, first and foremost.
Inaccurate. Christians believe that all people are sinners cast under the shadow of original sin and the only thing that can free you from that sin is Jesus. The Holy Spirit enables you to stop sinning if you so choose, but you have to want to do it. I think how he does this is when you ask forgiveness and are truly repentant when you commit a sin, that sin is wiped from the mind of Yahweh and he no longer remembers it. When Jesus was crucified, the moment he yelled out "It is Finished!" the veil that seperates the Holy of Holies from the rest of the temple ripped open signifying that man no longer needed an earthly priest to forgive their sins and intercede for them, Jesus became the high priest of Melchizidek..the highest order of priest there can possibly be and now we can speak to him directly to ask for forgiveness when we mess up.
The catholics take this too far when they want you to confess to an earthly priest that is now redundant and irrelevant before Christ. You do not need an earthly intercessor because you have the most powerful and most Holy One residing in the temple of heaven, those other fools cannot forgive your sins. Even the thought of them being able to forgive your sins over Jesus is blasphemy. Going to these "priests" instead of going straight to Jesus signifies to him that you think these fools have more power then he does.edit on 25-2-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Christians, like yourself, claim that all you have to do is ask for forgiveness whenever you "so choose" to "mess up". Jesus, on the other hand, says that unless you forgive others for their sins against you, God will not forgive your sins against him.
It says they become "one" flesh... through the child that they procreate.
i.e - The child is the "flesh" which the man and the woman became.
Regardless, it refers to a human biological process and has nothing to do with the unity of God.
Originally posted by vaelamin
reply to post by novastrike81
Do you also tell your kids about krampus? A demon who travels around with santaclaus stealing naughty children and eating them?
Also isnt Santaclaus the patron Saint Nicholas? A religous figure.
Arent you against religion?
Why would you let your kids need to be dictated by a religous man who breaks into houses through a chimney?
Am I ignoring any verses where we see God, Jesus or the prophets directly state "God is triune"?
No, because there are none.
Why would you let your kids fear and worship an invisible man who will send you to an eternal place of fire and torture for all eternity if you don't accept him into your heart? I'd much rather deal with a man who did nice things for people than deal with a tyrant who sets impossibly high standards and then damns those who can't follow them. I didn't ask to be born, and I don't wish to be punished for something I wasn't in control of in the first place.
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself:Matthew 19
I'd much rather deal with a man who did nice things for people than deal with a tyrant who sets impossibly high standards and then damns those who can't follow them. I didn't ask to be born, and I don't wish to be punished for something I wasn't in control of in the first place.
Do you seem to find these impossible?
Much of your post has bum information for instance Jesus was born in September
Another christian teaching is that God forgives us depending whether or not we accept that Jesus died for our sins. Neither God nor Jesus ever spoke this doctrine, but christians will read that meaning out of the bible, by connecting verses.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Another christian teaching is that God forgives us depending whether or not we accept that Jesus died for our sins. Neither God nor Jesus ever spoke this doctrine, but christians will read that meaning out of the bible, by connecting verses.
Jesus was the Passover Lamb of God, everyone who was a Jew knew what that meant. John the Baptist said he was the Lamb of God "who takes away the sin of the world". (John 1:29) At the last supper Jesus said His death would be for many for the remission of sins. (Matthew 26;28) He said for that hour is the entire reason He came. And in John 6, said emphatically that everyone who believes in Him has eternal life. (v. 47)
Not ur typical we are told not to waste our seeds on certain people and scorpion is one of them , he will never change his posture , it is evident He has read the bible but not with the gift of eyes to see or ears to hear.
His screen name is apt for his following and they had tails like scorpions and were given the power to torment man five months. By the way when Jesus spoke of shortening the tribulation for the ELECTS SAKE after Satan arrives on scene and stands on the temple mount north end proclaiming to be God this is the time that it is shortened too.
edit on 26-2-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Still pumping out the BS against the Catholics, eh? I suppose you can't help yourself. The indoctrination into your fundamentalist cult is probably running too deep for you to see the truth. Catholics do not worship Mary as God. Catholics never said that you go to hell for reading the bible. Catholics don't believe the pope is Christ. etc etc. Your education on what the Catholics really believe must all come from those pathetic Jack Chick tracts.
:shk: Congratulations .. i'm sure that the 'father of lies' is happy with you spreading false information for him.
Catechism of the Catholic Church