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Originally posted by jibeho
Amazing isn't it??
Obama can be heard at the 8:20 markedit on 24-2-2012 by jibeho because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cuervo
reply to post by colbe
I'm anti-abortion on a civics level but I think you aren't really looking at this situation in context. These abortions that need to be completed wouldn't result in a viable and healthy child at that state. These are not children that can survive outside of the womb yet.
I could be wrong but to have an abortion at six months, you need a judge's approval for a medical risk exception. Anybody birthed before that won't live anyway (barring any miracles).
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by cuervo
reply to post by colbe
I'm anti-abortion on a civics level but I think you aren't really looking at this situation in context. These abortions that need to be completed wouldn't result in a viable and healthy child at that state. These are not children that can survive outside of the womb yet.
I could be wrong but to have an abortion at six months, you need a judge's approval for a medical risk exception. Anybody birthed before that won't live anyway (barring any miracles).
Why do you speak of the divine (miracles) and only see abortion on a "civic" level cuevro?
Thanks for your post, not many comments.
Hey, maybe a good thing, leftists, libs here recognize by the thread title how awful our President is.... pray for his soul.
Originally posted by cuervo
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by cuervo
reply to post by colbe
I'm anti-abortion on a civics level but I think you aren't really looking at this situation in context. These abortions that need to be completed wouldn't result in a viable and healthy child at that state. These are not children that can survive outside of the womb yet.
I could be wrong but to have an abortion at six months, you need a judge's approval for a medical risk exception. Anybody birthed before that won't live anyway (barring any miracles).
Why do you speak of the divine (miracles) and only see abortion on a "civic" level cuevro?
Thanks for your post, not many comments.
Hey, maybe a good thing, leftists, libs here recognize by the thread title how awful our President is.... pray for his soul.
Being civic-minded doesn't exclude a person from being spiritual. My stance on abortion comes from secular philosophy and not my spirituality. That's all I meant.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by cuervo
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by cuervo
reply to post by colbe
I'm anti-abortion on a civics level but I think you aren't really looking at this situation in context. These abortions that need to be completed wouldn't result in a viable and healthy child at that state. These are not children that can survive outside of the womb yet.
I could be wrong but to have an abortion at six months, you need a judge's approval for a medical risk exception. Anybody birthed before that won't live anyway (barring any miracles).
Why do you speak of the divine (miracles) and only see abortion on a "civic" level cuevro?
Thanks for your post, not many comments.
Hey, maybe a good thing, leftists, libs here recognize by the thread title how awful our President is.... pray for his soul.
Being civic-minded doesn't exclude a person from being spiritual. My stance on abortion comes from secular philosophy and not my spirituality. That's all I meant.
You kinda said the same, changing your word from "civic" to "secular."
How is "spirituality" not involved? God creates a baby with a body
and an eternal soul at conception. It's known when life begins "spiritually", ie: Psalm 51:7 and physically, especially because of technology today.
Originally posted by colbe
What do you think of Obama's approval, his vote for killing a baby that survives an abortion?
Originally posted by cuervo
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by cuervo
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by cuervo
reply to post by colbe
I'm anti-abortion on a civics level but I think you aren't really looking at this situation in context. These abortions that need to be completed wouldn't result in a viable and healthy child at that state. These are not children that can survive outside of the womb yet.
I could be wrong but to have an abortion at six months, you need a judge's approval for a medical risk exception. Anybody birthed before that won't live anyway (barring any miracles).
Why do you speak of the divine (miracles) and only see abortion on a "civic" level cuevro?
Thanks for your post, not many comments.
Hey, maybe a good thing, leftists, libs here recognize by the thread title how awful our President is.... pray for his soul.
Being civic-minded doesn't exclude a person from being spiritual. My stance on abortion comes from secular philosophy and not my spirituality. That's all I meant.
You kinda said the same, changing your word from "civic" to "secular."
How is "spirituality" not involved? God creates a baby with a body
and an eternal soul at conception. It's known when life begins "spiritually", ie: Psalm 51:7 and physically, especially because of technology today.
You are citing a Christian bible. Do you always assume that people with faith are Christians?
Originally posted by colbe
What do you think of Obama's approval, his vote for killing a baby that survives an abortion?
Obama's approval in this light is to finish off a dying fetus. One that is born before the six-month mark, which is incredibly unlikely to live.
The answer isn't to make abortion unavailable or illegal as women would do it anyway, only in a more dangerous fashion. The answer is to support birth control, financially support single mothers, support streamlined adoptions, and support subsidized health care so that abortions aren't nearly as necessary.
The hypocrisy on the right of simultaneously condemning abortion while condemning single mothers on welfare is completely disgusting. Control the cause, not the symptom.
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by colbe
Give it up already.
You do not belong on a site that denies ignorance.
Go peddle it elsewhere.
Originally posted by cwg100
reply to post by colbe
Approximately 18 to 20 weeks is the limit of viability for a baby to survive. In many places it is legal to perform an abortion at this point. Infants born at this stage of development can survive and DO survive but usuall require medical intervention and support to survive.
If I remember correctly, the law Obama was speaking to (and which he voted for three times) said that a child that survived an abortion could not be rendered medical aid, could not in fact be touched but was just to be left to die.
I don't know at what point a "fetus" becomes human, and so for that reason, I think we need to err on the side of caution. But I do know that a "fetus" that is born alive IS a human and passing laws that say that human can not have any medical intervention or human contact but must be left alone to die is about the most heartless evil thing I've ever heard.
I believe the time for decision making is before engaging in an act that could result in conception. If you don't want a child, don't make one. If you make one that you don't want, don't compound the error by killing it. And if you try to kill it and it somehow survives, it should receive the same life saving treatment as a WANTED infant that is born too early.
When you're willing to sit and debate and justify withholding medical care for ANY human, you've crossed some kind of a line. This has nothing to do with religion - it's just basic humanity.
Originally posted by sykonot
reply to post by colbe
WHAT.......THE............FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
aAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGG
you have no idea how pissed this I am now