Originally posted by charlyv
When these RV'ers decide to do something socially constructive, like finding the missing children of the world, I will change my mind
1. Remote viewing is a free-response descriptive process. It is not locational. Dowsing is locational. In fact, the publicized use of viewing to
'find' things is one of the sort of intentional misleading things, because it's probably the thing it is singularly worst at. There are exceptions and
they can be counted on one hand and have fingers left.
You can attempt to structure descriptives so that they are helpful but it often takes a lot of back&forth and combining it with other intelligence
sources and often requires targeting a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with the target focus but is merely somewhere near.
For example let's say you want to know the building the terrorists are in or where the missing woman is. No matter how well you describe that white, 3
bedroom tract home, or that shallow grave in the woods, it's not going to help anybody. But that's like having a tool that is a camera and being mad
because it doesn't give you GPS. Sometimes you get a picture of something that is happily not just descriptive, but locational -- let's say a unique
shaped water tower nearby for example -- sometimes just by luck; but sometimes you get a descriptive that could be anywhere so is useless as info even
if it's totally correct.
2. Apparently you are unaware, but I'm glad to hear you're changing your mind. ;-) Viewer Joseph McMoneagle was on over a dozen Nippon TV specials in
Japan, working with their version of the FBI, on super-cold-case files of people missing for years often decades (as well as a couple primetime shows
bearing his name). He is exceptional however--most viewers aren't anywhere near his skill--so he's a nice example of viewing but probably not a good
example of the average skill that someone who hasn't done it full time for 40 years would be. You might find some of those videos on youtube, they
used to be there.
Getting an official service to go public with this and try to do it right was a miracle. Here in the states you either get religious fundies screaming
about it's the devils work or science fundies screaming about it's impossible. Even though many law enforcement use these services it has to be kept
very quiet. The culture there perhaps due to the powerful martial arts influence is less neurotic about the topic. Well mostly, not entirely.
During those events they had the idea that they would combine the investigators, and the viewer, and a film crew with some guys trying to make it all
work. The viewer would make sketches and descriptions, investigators would use it to try and find a starting place and how the data might be applied
to the terrain; he'd try to start at a coastline and work in since Japan's an island, and the crew on the ground would literally carry his sketches
around to people going, "Have you seen this (building)?" trying to find the path.
They found several people like this, and found the location mere-moments-before of some they were looking for -- many of these people didn't want to
be found, though the ones they did usually turned out well (some didn't turn out well and were not televised). This was the only decent combination
use of genuine investigation/intelligence plus psi plus the effort on the ground to put it into play that has been publicly used.
But that was a combination of viewing, dowsing, actual investigators, and a lot of work. It wasn't just "some psychic just gives you the answer like
it's a magic 8 ball." Everyone wants to make it sound like even if you have a tool you can just magically point it at something and get something so
clear it's obviously fraud when people say all that BS.
It requires the extensive investment of the officials who are actually working on those things, it requires their training so they don't screw
everything up in their ignorance about the subject, it requires the active use of all the available forms of intelligence combined not just the
viewing which is actually very poor as a stand-alone data collection source most of the time and for most people (but then so are many information
gathering forms; it is the synthesis of different things that is often powerful).
This is all an ongoing, time consuming, back and forth process. Anybody saying otherwise is making it up.
Aside from that, JM's done decades of work with his business, often involving missing children and many other altruism based services, much of it very
successful and a huge amount done for free, since he states he "doesn't believe in profiting off other peoples' pain." (This is partly due to a long
career as a combat vet in every worst-battle-ever in vietnam-etc. ever heard of, and other things, which kind of changed his perspective on what
really matters in life, eventually.)
The altruism argument has flaws but doesn't work here anyway.
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