The Abject Lunacy of the Ron Paul “Loverution”

reply to post by Tecumte


You obviously added some ridiculous things I never said, but I won't go so low as to claim that this kind of immature behavior somehow represents the total inability of Ron Paul's supporters to address any real issue outside of rhetorical arguments and fantastical Hollywood nonsense, because I don't think that would be constructive or appropriate within a discussion this serious.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Tecumte
Ron Paul the biggest threat to Liberty???? LOL . A 'rascist"??? Will start a war with China and we'll all die??? Has Alzheimer's ??? Wow. Is that really the kind of 'oppositon Dr. Paul has. Speaks volumes. I'm wondering if Karl Rove not only works overtime trying to smear Demo challengers but also people within the party. But then of course it's only smoke and mirrors, no need to assasinate the Welstone's of the world, doesn't matter who's in..... right

edit on 7-2-2012 by Tecumte because: spelling

His opposition to Ron Paul is not rovian in any sense of the word. His position on the Constitution is based at least on his anarchist views, which is neither Republican nor Libertarian, but quite leftist I'm sure, maybe Chomskyite. I heard today some stupid remarks about the Constitution. Only a leftist radical would make such idiotic remarks about the Constitution. Oh wait, it was a Supreme Court Justice. It's a sad day when a Supreme Court Justice shows such abject contempt for that which that Justice is supposed to defend.

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As I have explained, I subscribe to no political doctrine whatsoever because I do not believe in delusional false reality of politics in the first place.

Again, it is my hope that we can get past name calling and such, and discuss the actual issues themselves. I hope that is possible.

Somebody has to save the world, that much is evident anywhere I look. Can we all do it together? Maybe. Can Ron Paul do it? Maybe. Do I ever expect politics to be any more than a decepticon's hidden hand game of mud-slinging between owl worshipping elitists? OF COURSE NOT!!!

"Maybe Ron Paul can save the world" is the kind of Hollywood movie thinking I am speaking of. This is not a logical or valid position to take, if one critically analyzes all of the involved factors.

reply to post by andreoutlaw


Well Michael Scheuer seems to agree a lot with what Ron Paul says even if you think it is a personal belief, if you never heard of him I suggest looking him up. It is more about non-interventionism being whats best for the United States at the moment.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
reply to post by Tecumte

 

You obviously added some ridiculous things I never said, but I won't go so low as to claim that this kind of immature behavior somehow represents the total inability of Ron Paul's supporters to address any real issue outside of rhetorical arguments and fantastical Hollywood nonsense, because I don't think that would be constructive or appropriate within a discussion this serious.

We'll didn't mean to add some things you never said (or implied?), was just tryng to paraphrase what I thought I understood you were trying to say. I could go back and copy and paste your exact slams of Dr. Paul but don't care to take the time for such silliness. Anyway, I have said many times I don't look to gov. to solve my problems personally, and too I think a huge part of it could be dismantled and nobody would even miss it, and likely we'd all be much freer and happier.

But do president's have ANY power to affect things, well maybe, maybe not, but the simple point many have made here is that IF someone is going to take the time to vote for president, and IF they feel maybe there is some chance of whomever is selected having ANY sort of positive affect then Dr. Ron Paul is the best of anyone running IMO. People can agree or disagree if they want, if I do feel I'm going to take the time to vote this year it will be Ron Paul or nobody. I do think it's likely some politicians are less owned than others and may be better choices than others, one does have to wonder why the Corporate Criminal Cabal wastes it time murdering people like Paul Wellstone and his family or killing people like J.F.K. if it really has no affect at all (again paraphrasing what it seems you are saying/implying.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by andreoutlaw

 

Well Michael Scheuer seems to agree a lot with what Ron Paul says even if you think it is a personal belief, if you never heard of him I suggest looking him up. It is more about non-interventionism being whats best for the United States at the moment.

Yes, I am aware of him. Good ol' El-Beardo McCIA. A great resource.

I have studied this stuff pretty thoroughly, man. I've been doing this for a very long time.

Seriously though, we have to ask what it is we want out of life in order for any of this to make any sense. The Ron Paul campaign is about attempting to maintain the status quo of consumerism, mixed in with some nostalgic "ye olde time" emotive Hollywood nonsense.

It is obvious that none of that is ever coming back. Painfully obvious. And it is equally obvious where all of this is going: into a science fiction nightmare. So the time has come to reevaluate our priorities. What do we care about? What makes a meaningful life? Does it have anything to do with technology or economic development?

We have been told these things are good, all of this alleged "progress" and yet we have never been given the chance to evaluate that assumption. Is the state necessary? Is money? Internet porn and video games? If we want that stuff, we are going to have to pay for it, and the cost is what you are seeing now: a global fascist empire. There is no other way it can go.

I vote for a reevaluation of our priorities as a species.

Originally posted by Tecumte

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
reply to post by Tecumte

 

You obviously added some ridiculous things I never said, but I won't go so low as to claim that this kind of immature behavior somehow represents the total inability of Ron Paul's supporters to address any real issue outside of rhetorical arguments and fantastical Hollywood nonsense, because I don't think that would be constructive or appropriate within a discussion this serious.

We'll didn't mean to add some things you never said (or implied?), was just tryng to paraphrase what I thought I understood you were trying to say. I could go back and copy and paste your exact slams of Dr. Paul but don't care to take the time for such silliness. Anyway, I have said many times I don't look to gov. to solve my problems personally, and too I think a huge part of it could be dismantled and nobody would even miss it, and likely we'd all be much freer and happier.

But do president's have ANY power to affect things, well maybe, maybe not, but the simple point many have made here is that IF someone is going to take the time to vote for president, and IF they feel maybe there is some chance of whomever is selected having ANY sort of positive affect then Dr. Ron Paul is the best of anyone running IMO. People can agree or disagree if they want, if I do feel I'm going to take the time to vote this year it will be Ron Paul or nobody. I do think it's likely some politicians are less owned than others and may be better choices than others, one does have to wonder why the Corporate Criminal Cabal wastes it time murdering people like Paul Wellstone and his family or killing people like J.F.K. if it really has no affect at all (again paraphrasing what it seems you are saying/implying.

edit on 8-2-2012 by Tecumte because: spelling

You thought my post was stating that my opposition to the alleged "Ron Paul Loverution" was based on thinking that he was a racist with Alzheimer's Disease? That was really the impression that the post gave you? That is unfortunate, to say the least, but as there is clearly no interest in discussion of anything resembling an actual issue among Ron Paul's supporters, I can't say that I found the response particularly surprising.

If you do not look to government to solve you problems, than why are you supporting Ron Paul, while asserting that he is going to solve a bunch of problems for you? Does that not seem the least bit contradictory? This is the kind of thing we find in this movement. Circular statements from which no clear line of logic can be drawn.

I do not mean to talk down to you, or anyone else on this thread. You are doing what people have always done, which is found leaders and followed them unthinkingly. This is perfectly natural, and I would not fault you for it. Back in the old times, among the tribe, this made sense. A member of your tribe who stood up as the leader almost always had your best intentions in mind. Sadly, things are much more complicated than that at this present juncture, and as such it falls on us to deny this natural instinct to follow others blindly and actually develop a capacity for logical analysis of information in our own right.

And yes, powerful people kill each other sometime. That reality cannot be twisted into "within the realm of politics, people have a real chance to get their due". That is a massive, disconnected leap in logic. Would you argue that Brutus killed Caesar in order to "restore the Republic" because he had a passion in his heart to help the common man? Or was this just more of the normal machinations of power relations within the political realm?

There are no simple answers here when someone has been as heavily indoctrinated as the average American. The only way out is to work through the whole thing, completely, and find the truth of it. As far as the Ron Paul nonsense, a good place to start is here:

1.) Look at the amount of effort that Ron Paul puts in to attempting to establish the gold standard
2.) Find out that the Rothschild family arbitrarily determines the value of gold
3.) Have an epiphany

That is the easiest place. I understand it is difficult for people who don't know much about economics to understand exactly what his insane "pure free market capitalism" plan would actually do in the real world, where all capital is already solidified in the hands of multi-national corporations, but if you get through this delusion about the gold standard, that might be a good next step.

What I see is people being moved by emotional rhetoric to do with "freedom and liberty" in the exact same way that Obama supporters were. This just is not good enough. In order to draw accurate conclusions about reality, we are going to have to disregard emotion, and deal with facts.

Time to grow up.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
"Maybe Ron Paul can save the world" is the kind of Hollywood movie thinking I am speaking of. This is not a logical or valid position to take, if one critically analyzes all of the involved factors.

I think he could, Or should I say MAYBE RON PAUL CAN DO IT. But I won't vote for him, just like I didn't vote in the last election, and won't ever vote. Voting and politics are bullpup to me, I don't believe in government.

reply to post by FinalAccount2008


I don't understand.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
reply to post by FinalAccount2008

 

I don't understand.

Maybe I'm missing something.

I'm with you on this one. I don't believe in Ron Paul and I don't believe in any politician. Maybe he'll save the world one day, and maybe I will too, but as long as we believe in bull like politics and control and the elite vs the masses....instead of coexisting as a species there will never be peace! You're right, people that buy into this campaign are setting themselves up to be duped again, it will be heartbreaking to find out a politician is a politician. their job is to lie, cheat and steal in front of you while convincing you that they're not. That is the nature of politics. I know I speak a sort of confusing dialect but keep up negro!

F obama, F ron paul, F the bush fam the roth fam the rockefam f em all!! WE the human species have work to do, and politics will never do anything but subvert the peace and love humanity could have, or at least that's what I've observed in my incredibly short twenty years!

reply to post by FinalAccount2008


Alright, I hear you. I was just confused about how to interpret what you were saying.

Well maybe we can just get hit by the mysterious Nibiru, and we can have an Earth reset. If man can't reset themselves, and get their heads straight then some other extraordinary force will have to do that for us.

reply to post by andreoutlaw


"Time to grow up."-...... Ha you guys are funny,,,,,

And too you didn't hear or respond to a word I said.

If you care to have a fair exchange try and post something remotely usefull and take the real time to listen....

Anyway, if I do decide to take the time to vote it will be for Ron paul or nobody. I expect many others here and elsewhere feel exactly the same way and there's not much people like you can do to change that.

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


Yeah, maybe that's our only hope. Insane science fiction fantasy.

Though it is arguably more logical than Ron Paul. At least there is a possibly that something someone invented in their head could actually be true, by some type of coincidence. Ron Paul is something that we know exists, that we know the variables involved with, and we know is absolutely nonsense on every level. So there isn't room for "hope" as there is in the world of pure fantasy.

Well for the sake of argument, that would only be a valid reason that can help save mankind. I was however going for more of a tangible approach,even if Ron Paul himself can't deliver, then I am sure his son Rand Paul can...

Originally posted by Tecumte
reply to post by andreoutlaw

 

"Time to grow up."-...... Ha you guys are funny,,,,,

And too you didn't hear or respond to a word I said.

If you care to have a fair exchange try and post something remotely usefull and take the real time to listen....

Anyway, if I do decide to take the time to vote it will be for Ron paul or nobody. I expect many others here and elsewhere feel exactly the same way and there's not much people like you can do to change that.

edit on 9-2-2012 by Tecumte because: spelling

I responded systematically to everything you said. Which point did I not "hear or respond" to? Everything you said - the same thing that all Paulites say, like a chant - has already been fully analyzed and dissected. If you have a counter argument, please present it and we can discuss it. The constant insults do not amount to an argument. Dismissal is not an argument. If I am wrong, you should be able to explain where and why I am wrong. If no one can do that, it must be assumed that I am right, until someone is capable of making an argument otherwise. That is just the way these things work.

And I don't care about "changing you", as if I am on some evangelical crusade. I am trying to open a very important discussion. I had thought that even though the Obama Zombies are too far gone to ever even have a discussion with at all, the Paulites might be capable of dissecting information objectively. After talking about this on the internet for some time now, it seems I was absolutely and completely wrong on that front. There is not a single difference between Obama and Paul supporters. They all care nothing for reality, and are solely interested in perusing things that make them feel good, for the sake of feeling good. Emotional rhetoric devoid of fact or critical thought is all there is, in either camp, and Ron Paulites should be deeply ashamed for making fun of Obama supports, or telling them to "wake up". It amounts to getting in an argument with a mirror.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
Well for the sake of argument, that would only be a valid reason that can help save mankind. I was however going for more of a tangible approach,even if Ron Paul himself can't deliver, then I am sure his son Rand Paul can...

Sure that Rand "Israel is a peaceful nation" Paul can deliver what? Fix all your problems because you voted for him? Another lying politician here to save the world? What delivery is it that you expect to receive from these television personalities?

reply to post by andreoutlaw


Wait I never said I voted for anyone at the moment..Honestly I have never voted, but Ron Paul intrigues me with the whole constitution bit. If anything he is the only person in my mind that has made sense. I have never voted in my life I am almost 30. I never voted for Obama, or Bush...This will be the first year I vote and that will be for Ron Paul. I have never flip flopped. I always hated politics, but Ron Paul caught me I am abiding by what the Constitution states. I am all for that. He seems consistent.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by andreoutlaw

 

Wait I never said I voted for anyone at the moment..Honestly I have never voted, but Ron Paul intrigues me with the whole constitution bit. If anything he is the only person in my mind that has made sense. I have never voted in my life I am almost 30. I never voted for Obama, or Bush...This will be the first year I vote and that will be for Ron Paul. I have never flip flopped. I always hated politics, but Ron Paul caught me I am abiding by what the Constitution states. I am all for that. He seems consistent.

Well, that's good you've never voted, but have you actually read the Constitution of the United States? I find that almost no Paulites have. They are simply familiar with the Bill of Rights, which I wouldn't think anyone could ever really find much fault with, other than with the basic concept that we do not need a state to tell us we are human beings.

But the articles of the Constitution itself are clearly based on the foundations of the Roman Empire, and not really something to be too terribly impressed with, unless you like the concept of a global fascist empire for whatever reason. I guess some people find that romantic.

Just look at what America is - what you know it is.

-Founded on genocide
-Built by slaves
-Colonial power as soon as it was logistically viable/profitable
-Global Imperial superpower

What is there is be proud of? What is to celebrate? The whole line of thinking, talking about how great America is and the constitution and blah blah blah is just a whole load of nonsensical propaganda. When was this great age of the great United States? There is no evidence of it anywhere in history. The evidence is that this country has always been a machine of dominance and oppression.

So what are we even talking about, if not simply emotional rhetoric?