Argentinians protest arrival of Prince Williams on Malvinas

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by morf991

 

Yes I agree and also England is the biggest mass murderer in history.USA can invoke the monroe doctrine to free falklands from brit oppression.

edit on 3-2-2012 by ludwigvonmises003 because: (no reason given)

From what I have read in the history books, Genghis Khan was the biggest mass murderer, fifty million according to some estimates. then there is 'uncle Joe' at twenty million, everyone's Favorite whipping boy, Hitler, at six million, so what number have you got for the British???

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by morf991

 

Yes I agree and also England is the biggest mass murderer in history.USA can invoke the monroe doctrine to free falklands from brit oppression.

edit on 3-2-2012 by ludwigvonmises003 because: (no reason given)

All the British living on the FALKLANDS have voted to stay British, sorry to upset you twice, such is life.

reply to post by pikestaff


Ludwig has the figure at 1.8 billion, a statistic he roles out in every thread relating to the UK. Though at the the time there were only 2 billion people on earth, so he's either making his figure up or using a dodgy source for his stats, either way he's wrong and probably best ignored.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


How very dare you sir! To use logic and reason and fact against Ludwig is completely ignorant, as he clearly demonstrates time and again!

Nothing but spurious and unsubstantiated claims can be used on these forums as he shows with every post. Spread the lies and ignorance, it is clearly the way to go!

reply to post by woodwardjnr


I think he is basing it on population since ye olde times, so the figure would be feasible BUT that doesn't mean to say I agree with it (given a massive amount of the Earth's all-time population lived before 1AD)

But hey, 1.8 billion sounds cool, right? *screams*

reply to post by Flavian


You tend to find though that the Americans create their own laws. Working in the marine industry, as an example, there is the "Jones Act", which basically says, any US citizen who is held or imprisoned on board an American flagged vessel will be freed if requested by the US government by any means necessary inc military action against said country.

Now that's all well and fair, but when the US flagged vessel doesn't conform to international law, the vessel can be detained in port until the matter is rectified. The US stance on this is..."shove your law", let them go or we'll bomb you.

It wont be long before most of the world turns on the US because to put it simply...

They tend to believe the world is owned by "the USA" and everything else is irrelevant, their attitude to superiority will be their downfall

Originally posted by randomname
because unlike the english and american government, argentinians are loyal to their citizens and will certainly not fire on or harm a fellow argentinian to prevent them from trashing a foreign bank.

the riot would have happened if they did turn on them.

prince william is a tool anyways. i don't know why they care for that rock full of sheep anyways. let england fly supplies, it's their colony.

apparently the monroe doctrine is out the window on this one. the united states is supposed to stand up to any european power meddling in the new world.

what are you waffling about, how can Britain "meddle" in it's own territory, what piffle

Originally posted by morf991

Originally posted by staticarium
These Argies are just asking for us to crush them again. What a sickening people.

Quotes like this make me pissed. Have you ever been in Argentina? Do you even know were that is?

Guess what......... England is Imperialistic. And I would most certainly head over to Argentina to help them if another war erupts against "the British".

Thats Argentinian land..... Very much far removed from English "sovereignty".

Good, I hope you get your wish...........


How can it be "argentinian land" when Argentina has NEVER owned it, Britain possessed it when it was empty before Argentina even existed and the natives want to be British- you are the imperalist and aggressor, see how you fare in a fight against British soldiers, really wonder what the outcome will be.........

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
He is only a man. Those titles mean nothing to the Malvinas.

sorry, the "Malvinas", by which you mean "THE FALKLANDS", which has a population 100% of which wishes to remain British, so I rather think the title means something to the "FALKLANDS"


Some ignorance on this thread, we will see what happens if you want to take British land, many will die, not nice, but warmongers and aggressors must be smashed

reply to post by alldaylong


Must be said, a look at long history before the 19thc and 20thc would have Britain on the top of the list, maybe competing with Spain, France and Portugal of old.
As a very modern example any google search on "partition" and how both the Jewish state Israel and Pakistan were created, and the chaos, death, famine, repression and mass murder that occurred, makes that more than apparent.
Just for an truthful view
....
As an true "Britain" with just as far as traceable Welsh, Scottish, Irish and about 3% Indian Gypsy in my blood from 4 generations back I am more "British", have more roots, more heritage, more DNA of the "original" Settlers of this land than nearly everyone ive met, and certainly more than most on here.

So having some facts straight, lets get some more straight.

If Argentina took all out action, an very organised, swift and stealthy invasion of the Falklands Islands, to include securing the airport for a period of 2 odd days, from that point on Britain would have absolutely NO CHANCE AT ALL of retaking the islands.

The garrisoned troops would be facing an entire nations military might, and it is not small in the case of Argentina, with no help available or possible in conventional sense, support or logistics and no Air Cover at all.

They would be slaughtered or have to surrender, or become pows.

JUST LIKE THEY DID IN 1984, before the task force arrived, to retake the Falklands, as they had fallen.

We have no projectionable Air Power, we have no Aircraft Carrier besides an itsy bitsy helicopter one.

Just facts, it would be bloody, I ma sure very brave actions to on our side, The Argentinian navy would be very very badly crippled if they stayed out of port for long, but having the Islands runway would also give the Argentinians ASW around the Falklands, allowing ships to get there and stay there safe........

What we do?
Throw all the tins of corned beef back at them?

So all this bolster and many British people calling or big up "Britain would wipe etc"

No we would not, we could not, and why on earth would we want to?

I am all for the safe and total protection of the Falkland Islanders, and any invasion or distress to these people should be treated just the same as if it was at home..... however

Is Britain really that "Great" that all this is over these Islanders rights, and our "Land rights" over the Falklands, the reason a couple of thousand people, lots and lots of Penguins, and seals and such like, really really bad weather is worth all the time, money and lives lost to date?

Of course not it would be, and was, in Britains interests an long time ago to get out of there, leave the two pieces of cold wet unforgiving moss on rock, to the penguins and who ever else wants to live in an awfully harsh place.

However since the 70's it has been speculated "Black Gold" be under here some say.... and recent research has proven that, big reserves to.

When the price is high enough for Brent sweet to make it worth the cost of drilling it up....

That's the only reason were there, dressed up with spin of "Valor" "Queen and Country" "Princes" and such like to hide the truth.

Its the same show but a different hand or card as such, as an memo read out in this countries parliment about "45 Minute" WMD from Iraq.... again about the Oil.

When was the last conflict not about that?

The Suez Crisis? (really should be called the Suez Invasion) we kicked some there to didn't we guys lol....NOT

As a true Brit im getting very tired of those halfbreeds living in Britain now who only themselves as far as ancestry goes came a few hundred years ago or such like from Belgium, Scandanavia, France et al screaming about being "English & Proud" armchair generals.

Should I not ask you to leave my island?

Wake up read some history, know your facts about real not computer and Hollywood military/geopolitical situations, and stop please dragging down this ancient land with your Racsist, War mongering and ignorant on the subject blood and xenophobic rants.

The above is meant as an general reposte to the way this is being spun, talked about and certainly posted about by some here, on the MSM etc you make yourself look foolish, and lower the very country you say you are soo proud of.

In fact if we all took the stance being forwarded and becoming an "meme" now I have every right to say "take your queen and fake king back to Germany, Russia, and Greece, your Parliment to, before you go give back the Coil and Gold from wales, the Oil from Scotland, the Crops from Ireland without the genocide you visited on each of the true British peoples 3 nations destroyed......

Go we have the oldest language in the world, we had an true form of community decision making before you came.... oh and also our native tongues had NO PROFANITIES & SWEAR words until you arrived, oh the wonderful "Queens English" eh?

Elf

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reply to post by woodwardjnr


reply to post by pikestaff


I have answered on the british genocides in india several times:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by jrmcleod


your nation is a vassal of the United States whether you like it or not.We are the numero uno and we will do what we like as might is right.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Mischevious,

I honestly do not wish for conflict with Argentina at any point in the future.

However, to address your post, you are simply incorrect. We may only have 4 Typhoon fighters permanently based on the Falkland but they are far more advanced than any aircraft belonging to ANY South American nation.

Allied to that, there are 2 subs permanently in the South Atlantic. These subs were basically designed for retaliation should things go wrong (ie all out nuclear war) and include a new Astute class sub, which is second only in technology to the new American subs.

The most recent development, the deploying to the South Atlantic of HMS Dauntless is far more significant in terms of military than any other tech down there. Quite simply, until the new American ships are built, it is the most advanced warship anywhere in the world. It has the destructive power to locate and destroy any aircraft anywhere in South America as they are still on the runway.

Quite simply, if it came to war, there would only ever be one winner. Occasionally, you hear noises coming out of the MOD about how we wouldn't be able to hold on to the islands should conflict arise. This has nothing to do with fact and everything to do with preserving budgets when everything across the boards is up for cuts due to austerity measures.

Again, i will state i hope there is never another war with Argentina but the reality is should one occur, it would be over far far quicker than last time and would be very costly to Argentina in terms of casualties and loss of equipment.

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by ludwigvonmises003

 

You are a total cock.

I know this a violation of t & c and i will be told off by the Mods and this post removed but at the end of the day your sole purpose is to cause trouble and arguments on these boards. How the hell you haven't been banned yet is a total mystery to me - others have been banned for far less.

Star for this post.

Every post is some bile filled rant vented at Britain, I don't understand how the mods have not banned this buffoon yet as he is posting with only one intent and that is to derail threads.

I can only assume on the suface he hates the UK so much because he has a secret erotic obsession with the Queen, lol!

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by jrmcleod

 

your nation is a vassal of the United States whether you like it or not.We are the numero uno and we will do what we like as might is right.

Lol, made me spill my coffee with that remark. No, the US is not "numero uno"...such a predictable response but arguing the point is not worth my energy.

Good luck with that attitude sir, i can only hope that when you eventually realise how wrong you are, that you are on the side of the fence that will allow you to remain calm and collected and live when the bombs eventually start dropping - which will happen sooner or later, unfortunately...

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by MischeviousElf

 

However, to address your post, you are simply incorrect.

No I was just stating facts, it fell before, we had an aircraft carrier and an Task force to regain it..... we could not do that again I think I will take the Ex Head of the SAS, Ex Head of the entire Army, and also the man who headed most of the Spec Ops (co alition )and British Actions, in planning, logistics and management to include crisis in the First Gulf war, his opinion imho is very very very more knowledgable than any "name on an board"

Lets look then what he said 2 or three days ago?

It would be ‘just about impossible’ to retake the Falklands if Argentina invades, the former head of the Army declared.

General Sir Mike Jackson warned that defence cuts meant that the UK no longer has the capability to get the islands back if the Argentines secured the airfield.

‘What if an Argentinian force was able to secure the airfield? Then our ability to recover the islands now would be just about impossible.

‘We are not in a position to take air power by sea since the demise of the Harrier force. Let us hope we don’t live to regret that decision.’

In fact what is a real touch of the state we are in compared to Hollywood, romantic comic books or "Jolly good old boys" is the following:

in his interview, Sir Mike accepted that the defence cuts were ‘savage’; adding: ‘This will be the smallest Army since the Napoleonic wars. My understanding is that we’re heading for 82,000.’

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Allied to that, there are 2 subs permanently in the South Atlantic. These subs were basically designed for retaliation should things go wrong (ie all out nuclear war) and include a new Astute class sub, which is second only in technology to the new American subs.

What are they going to do Beach themselves onto the Airfield, or look at it menacenly through their periscope, maybe they could catch a glint from the rare sun down there, and stat a fire on the argies base??? I mean WE WOULD have to be very creative.

The most recent development, the deploying to the South Atlantic of HMS Dauntless is far more significant in terms of military than any other tech down there. Quite simply, until the new American ships are built, it is the most advanced warship anywhere in the world. It has the destructive power to locate and destroy any aircraft anywhere in South America as they are still on the runway.

REALLY?

Can you link that please, or do you have access to the top secret specs of it already?

I know its a nice bit of Kits but S.America is a very very big place, hit anywhere in the country an base slap bang in the middle of Brazil that far an Air to Air really?

Wow.....

Are you shore you are not speculating?

Am I infact speaking to Gen Rose?

Quite simply, if it came to war, there would only ever be one winner.

Yep whoever held onto or took the Airport in the first stages....Simple as.....

Occasionally, you hear noises coming out of the MOD about how we wouldn't be able to hold on to the islands should conflict arise. This has nothing to do with fact and everything to do with preserving budgets when everything across the boards is up for cuts due to austerity measures.

I heard an similar thing from an politician the other day....

Again, i will state i hope there is never another war with Argentina but the reality is should one occur, it would be over far far quicker than last time and would be very costly to Argentina in terms of casualties and loss of equipment.

I am sure that is so.... but we might also loose the entire islands, the reserves, and with all the bolstering beforehand our dignity to if they took it quick.... we would never be taken again seriosuly as an world power....

In fact that is the whole crux of it.... Britain is no more an Superpower, or an World power as such, alone we are very very limited in what we can do, we have been in decline for an hundred years, an many others on the rise.. like waves on the Sea "Great Britain" is now a thing of paintings, poets, stately homes and such like... we still have the frilly hats, the crowns, the pomp and some waning regard, from long ago...

But in reality the Emporer is certainly very very naked, and has been for an while.

Kind Regards,

Elf

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Here you go.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I'm surprised you haven't seen through the obvious theme of Gen Jackson's comments - specifically, an opportunity to maintain / increase funding, by playing on fears. Think you might've been taken in, buddy!

More importantly, as logic would dictate, holding an airfield would indeed be vital and Argentinian control would be a massive issue - but it would not render the mission 'impossible'.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Sorry, the only link i can you is to the Wiki page - en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">en.wikipedia.org...

I was trying to link the Jane's Defence Weekly page (as that is what they specialise in) but it won't allow me to as it is password protected for members (anything to coin in extra money!).

Sir Mike Jackson is now in a senior role within the MOD - he was been trying to delay cuts and drum up extra cash for the military.

Actual serving heads of the military refute these claims and actually basically state what i said to you.

And no, Britain isn't a super power and hasn't truly been one since around the start of 1914. However, for a tiny nation we are still the 5/6th most powerful nation on the planet, both economically and militarily. Not bad for a tiny place!

What would be far better all round is if Kirchner had accepted a 50/50 deal on oil but as this was rejected outright by Argentina we are left with all this stupid posturing about something that would never happen.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by alldaylong

 

If Argentina took all out action, an very organised, swift and stealthy invasion of the Falklands Islands, to include securing the airport for a period of 2 odd days

This is not feasible.

JUST LIKE THEY DID IN 1984

What happened in 1984?

I think I will take the Ex Head of the SAS, Ex Head of the entire Army, and also the man who headed most of the Spec Ops (co alition )and British Actions, in planning, logistics and management to include crisis in the First Gulf war, his opinion imho is very very very more knowledgable than any "name on an board"

Mike was never head of 22 and he did bugger all in the Gulf, being in NI at the time. You are confusing him with DLB.