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Topic started on 14-9-2004 @ 07:38 AM by Corinthas
news.bbc.co.uk...

Here is a little insight into the lives of those living in the "richest country in the world".


This is what people are duped into emigrating for? Man what a rip off!


reply posted on 16-9-2004 @ 06:31 AM by dawnstar
Originally posted by Sistinas
I am one of those uninsured Americans. For about 4 months now I have had this weird rash on my hands. I finally got 400.00$ dollars together to go see a doctor. She did no blood tests. Just looked at my hands proscribed Lamisil 250mg 1 a day for 15 days. Total time seeing doctor less then 15 min charge 100.00$. Then I head to Walgreens, Lamisil cost with a 20.00$ coupon was 313.00$. 22 days later I still have this rash and its not getting any better, and I don't have any way of getting more cash for a revisit. I am massage therapist by trade. I can't work with these hands the way there are.Everything that I try to do with my hand hurts. I am at a loss now . With now clue as to what to do now. Don't get me wrong> I have been out of work for a very long time and even applyed at other types of jobs. Its like know one is hiring. Soon my saving will be gone and thin I can't pay rent. I am not looking forward to this winter.


could it be something in the oils you are using? I had the same problem for years....until I moved out into the country....WIth me, my hands would blisters, then dry out, then crack and peal.......and, of course, while they were blistered, crap would run out of the blisters quite often. At one point, I was literally cleaning my house out with baking soda, and stuck with the same soap, shampoo, and the like for years. I honestly think it was the chlorine in the water......It finally cleared up when we moved someplace where we had to rely on well-water...with less chlorine in it. I've noticed, people just don't realize just how delibilitating it can be when you have giant blisters on both your hands. You use them for everything you do. and, even with insurance, I imagine that the hundreds of tests that they would have to do to find out the culprit would be out of alot of peoples pricerange....most of the time I had the problem, I wasn't insured either. I use hydrocortizone creams on my (they still do occassionally break out...especially if someone in the house goes swimming in a pool and then I handle the laundry.) If I catch it early enough, it clears it up before it gets that bad. At one time, I had both hands bandaged up for close to a month, the blisters had turned black.

I'd start trying to find out what wooould be causing the problem..
Unfortunately, they have spent far less money researching the effects of the crap they put into our soaps, our shampoos, cosmetics, detergents, and such....so it is something that is really hard to get a handle on. With me, it was by trial and error.


reply posted on 16-9-2004 @ 07:34 AM by dawnstar
Originally posted by deeprivergal
Ah yes, the economic troubles that our country and her citizens face. I too am uninsured. My husband has been out of work for more than a year. There is no money coming in, but we're making it!

My husband got laid off the day after our daughter was born last August. If it wasn't for the support of family and friends, we never would have made it. I believe that God provides though.

Brian (my husband) has migraines. He gets them bad, to the point that it practically paralyzes him. He takes Relpax for them, and they cost about $500 for a 16 day prescription. He is enrolled in school, and believe it or not, the school had a program for him, and they paid for his meds.

So whenever I see how bad off we are, I look at how good we are doing. Our 3 children are healthy and happy, and we take it one day at a time

So keep your heads up, prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.


ya...we made it too, or we've almost made it...one more son school aged, when they are all gone, we might be sitting pretty good for awhile at least. Unfortunately, the problem isn't taken as seriously as it should be. some doctors claim that if being uninsured was a disease, it would be the third leading cause of premature death....of course stupid doctors are pretty high on that list also, but that's besides the point. And, well, my oldest son had his heart set on going into the Navy, and was all set to go in, but couldn't pass the medical exam...not that he was sick, but rather, he couldn't provide adequate medical records to prove that he wasn't. He had asthma as a child, and then a collapsed lung, if we could have come up with the documentation concerning the nature of that collapsed lung, or even if the DOD was willing to use some common sense, he's be happy in the NAvy, instead of in the house, still trying to find a job in a very depressed area of the country....and I am waiting to see if they pass their draft bill....he wasn't medically acceptable for the navy with it's clean salt water air....will he be for the army, with their damp forests full of pollen and molds?
And, then there is the school systems who refuse to excuse your child from gym class unless you have a note from the doctor...even when there is a nurse on duty who should be qualified to look at the swollen ankle and say yep, it's sprain and he can't run. My kids missed school sometimes, just because of minor medical problems that really didn't need medical attention, except for the fact that the school would expect them to participate in gym and take the risk of making those minor injuries into something more serious.

By creating the medicaid system, our government, promted by society has decided that it is not acceptable for our "poor" to go without medical care. so, why is it acceptable for others to? I don't believe it should be treated too lightly.


reply posted on 17-9-2004 @ 01:41 PM by dawnstar
Originally posted by Jemison
Insurance almost makes things more difficult for a person. I needed to see a specialist, was referred by my Primary Care Doctor, got the approval within one week. I called the Specialist to make the appointment and their FIRST available appointment was 4 months later. That is not acceptable.

Women can see their Gynocologist without having to get authorization from their insurance. So, when I started having problems my Primary Care doc said I needed to go ahead and see my Gynocologist ASAP. I called in June '04 to schedule an appointment and their FIRST available appointment was February 2005!!!! My brother, (an Ortheopedic surgeon) suggested I call as a CASH patient and see if I could get in earlier. Sure enough, I called the next day and said I had no Insurance and all of a sudden they could get me in the following week. I called my Insurance company to see if I could pay cash and then submit the bill and be reimbursed and they told me no.

This makes NO sense to me and as far as I'm concerned it is discrimination against those WITH Insurance. My theory is that since they have to eat the cost between the prenegotiated rate and the copay, they make up for it through their cash patients.

I dont think that government regulated Insurance is the solution but I think some major changes need to be made with the way Insurance is right now!

Jemison


discrimination against the insured??
umm...ya,
I had an operation on my ankle after I broke it.....the bill is for more than I could make in two years!!
then, later on, I hear on the tv that the doctors, the hospitatals, ect. are adding costs to the uninsured bill....sometimes doubling it, to make up for the fact that the government and the insurance companies trying to put some kind of downward pressure on the providers for these services. umm....to me, this is also discrimination. And, well.......I plan on paying only one years worth of my labor for their services.
while in the hospital, the aids would come in everymorning, bringing in towels washclothes and extra gowns......sometimes I got about ten gowns for the day.....with as many towels and washclothes. I finally joked and asked them if it was their way of ensuring their friends had job security. To me it was just one giant waste of money!
then there is the story about the ring in california, where the doctor would get with a middle man and they would find themselves a patient. who cared if that patient was sick and actually needed the surgery, they would agree to have the surgery, and then the doctor would overcharge the insurance company and the three would split the cost. So, when discussing the cost of healthcare, one would also have to consider the cost of the fraud and abuse that runs rampant throughout the system.
one should also consider the pay of the fat cats in the insurance companies, hospitals, ect. If the healthcare industry in such dire straights, what is the justification for the ceos and upper management's outrageous salaries?
The drug companies get alot of help from our govt. to develope the drugs...which they in turn turn around and try to zap the taxpayer/consumer for reimbursement for in the form of high, outrageous prices, although they have no problem giving the drug away to poorer nations or reducing the price and marketing it in canada.
sorry, just don't buy the idea that the costs have to be that high to begin with. but, hey, if the gov't is forcibly taking the money from the taxpayer to pay for it in the form of research grants, medicaid and medicare, ect....well, they are just your average business men, they'll gladly take all that they can get.



reply posted on 17-9-2004 @ 04:48 PM by sigung86
Sorry Radagast.... Don't be downhearted. I would never hiss you or denigrate anyone working in the insurance industry. You're just a working stiff like most of the rest of us...

Like I said, I'm not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but I wonder when we pay top dollars for medication that we can get out of country for much less. And yes, I know that some of them are bogus, but not all. Like Robert Anton Wilson says, "sombunall"...

However, I see that the insurance companies are making money hand over fist, and deny people treatment based on what? I needed some medicine a number of years back, and it was denied out of hand by my insurance company... Wonder why?

No... It's not the folks working the industry that are at fault, I don't think... It's more the folks who are at the top making the real money that are putting the people who pay in at risk. And I feel very, very badly for the folks who need medical help, do not have insurance, and can not afford to pay for it themselves.

I don't have answers, obviously, but we do need to come up with some, and real soon. WE have an aging population whose needs grow more each day, no matter whether it is age induced or self induced (300 pounds, smoking and eating McDonalds)... It would be, in my mind, morally reprehensible to deny medical care to anyone, regardless of cause. Kind of like the difference between a child breaking his ankle playing on a play ground or a punk breaking his ankle in a gang/street fight. A broken ankle is a broken ankle is a broken ankle.

We need a more intelligent, or at least, not so greedy a bunch of insurance overlords.
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