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Originally posted by baphomet420
funny, when i was a kid (and im not that old) i was taught, even if you did not vote for, or support the president, you should still show respect, as he IS your president...
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by vexati0n
I'm pro-gay-marriage. I'm pro-choice. I believe nothing that happens in anyone's bedroom or doctor's office, if it's consensual, is anyone's business but those who are involved. Ron Paul, on the other hand, believes very strongly in legislating "morality" and that it is Washington's duty to tell the People what is and is not appropriate behavior in private.
Ron Paul is often called by his fellow Representatives in Congress "Dr. No" because he is so adamant about not voting for any piece of legislation that is not Constitutionally authorized. So often does Paul vote no on legislation that often times he is the sole "no" vote on legislation, which quite obviously contradicts your uninformed opinion.
Frankly, given your admission that you are "pro gay marriage" and "pro choice", and given your criticism that Paul believes "very strongly in legislating morality" you clearly are only parroting what others have told you and have no idea they are telling you this because of Ron Paul's strong stance on states rights issues.
In terms of abortion, Ron Paul is a staunch adversary of federally sponsored abortion programs, but generally believes that maternal and fetal health is best handled by the individual or states. Further, your insistence that Ron Paul wants to intrude into your bedroom is nonsense, especially if you are making the leap from "pro-choice" to intrusions on a bedroom, or even "gay marriage". In both cases, Ron Paul, could care less what you do in your bedroom, assuming what you do in there is lawful. By lawful, it should be pointed out that Ron Paul is against the drug war and would view any drug use done in your bedroom as lawful. He certainly doesn't care who you are having sex with in your bedroom and if you think that abortions are generally handled in the bedroom, then you are way too ignorant.
...which begs the question, just what the hell are you doing in your bedroom to cause all this protest of Ron Paul. All he has suggested is that you should not cause harm or defame anyone, so what are you up to, sport?
You are deliberately lying and clearly don't know Ron Paul as well as you think you do. Ron Paul is 100% against abortion and says on his website he will pass a Sanctity of Life act. He will also work to stop taxpayer funds from going to Planned Parenthood. Check it yourself: www.ronpaul2012.com...
Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life" and "an unshakable foe of abortion". In 2005, 2007, 2009, and again in 2011, Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act, which would have life defined as beginning at conception at the Federal level. However, he believes regulation of medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level". He believes that according to the U.S. Constitution states should, for the most part, retain jurisdiction.
Excuse me, but the whole deal with privacy is that it doesn't matter what we are doing in our rooms, no one should be looking. I would think you of all ATS posters would realize that.
As a pro-choice liberal, Ron Paul's views do not hold with mine either. A lot of things you said about him are true but you are wrong about his view on abortion.
As for gay marriage, sure he wants it to be left up to states - which is why he isn't going to do anything about the Defense of Marriage Act (Unconstitutional) and will take what should be a simple civil right and leave it up to the states to "decide". Who gets off thinking that certain things are decidable by the people? In this case, it's not, and Ron Paul and many conservatives want to "leave it up to the states" because they are too cowardly to admit that they don't believe that marriage should be a right, not a privilege.
I agree with the original person quoted, in that even when these issues bother me about Ron Paul, I still like him a lot and agree with him on what I believe are more important issues, such as foreign policy. I just really don't like it when people think he's some godlike messiah and try to paint him as if he has no flaws and everyone everywhere should agree with him on every issue.