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5GW, Netcentric Warfare, and What Every Citizen Should Know About the New Front

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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I'm not convinced of the 911 conspiracies by any means. I do think that various things were lumped together in an action that was already in operation, and then to confuse matters they then piled on with nonsense (Iraq).

I bet there was thermite in the building, and based on my assessment of why I'd suggest that there are other sensitive government buildings that might be literal bombs. I do think that an airliner crashed into it. I think that 7 was taken down because they got the go ahead to take it down to preserve the secrets in it and bury the treasure, and that all would be taken care of. This is sensible if you don't know if there is a second wave.

That the government promotes nonsense doesn't mean that everything is a lie - it just means which parts of it are is unapparent. Not everyone is stupid, but they count on enough people are.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
There's a whole lot of people in our government. Millions. A lot a lot. There's a lot of vertical communication, but very little horizontal feedback going on. There's a problem that arises when cross-bureaucratic communication is poor due to compartmentalization and hierarchical information sharing: it's easy to sneak an operative (or a loosely networked band of operatives) into a position where they can effect maximum systems disruption from within.


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Then there are target industries. You don't need to be the high level employee or bureaucrat. No. There are tons of well trained immigrants/dissatisfied sweeping floors and wandering buildings everyday. Sitting at desks doing work they could do in their sleep, with open access to all sorts of information. People with family back home who can be used to assure compliance.

This is what I mean when I say over and over, things like "Your rule is by compact." Things run smoothly because the populace overwhelming wants it that way. Not because the government or corporations are particularly great at it, or because they become tyrannical in enforcement. Because the citizen lions amoungst the civil lambs allow them to do so.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Frater210
Considering what we are learning about 5GW, what do you think now of posters on ATS that suggest armed insurrection?

For that matter what do you think of posters that seem to use inflammatory statements to piss you off and draw you in and galvanize your opinion?

Is it 5GW in action?

Consider the DARPA thread and everything we have gone over so far...

...would it behoove states that are behind the game to try and rapidly develop and deploy exercises and progroms to test and develop these theories of 5GW assault and warfare?

And who would they hire to do it?

That's the whole idea, ATS...

...we must develop our 5GW goggles. Sort of like beer goggles but these could save the human race.



I wonder what they think about the fact that some of use are doing it back?


I find talk of armed insurrection very interesting and concerning. But I think that this is a natural progression when integrating warfare concepts in politics, lobbying and commercialization. The primary makers of laws aren't concerned about mere humans, and tell stories to make everything into two sides who are enemies. This tactic is used through-out all aspects of the political and corporate and lobby narratives, and it is escalating. The groups doing it don't care that it is causing escalation and its endgame is apparent in that it will eventually cleave two sides into warring factions.

I guess you could say I have a detached feeling of "well, you did it to yourselves you dumbasses" kinda feeling about it. What is wrong with it cannot be unapparent, but these groups/people get enough pay-off that it doesn't matter.

Train psy-ops, then have them go into marketing or lobbying. Or train soldiers, and then make them into the local enemy when they get out. This sort of stupidity has a logical conclusion. The incessant play of the narrative of the "broken soldier" is probably partially a psy-op itself. "You are too broken and singular to group up and be pissed about bull."



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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they are probably excited that we notice and in some way, are relieved. To any level of their goal, they need us. They need anyone they can get since they are constantly at odds with numerical superiority. The very idea of control for an end game purpose relies on so many triggers that they can't do it alone. They need people to discover, scream, and then feel defeated. Ultimately, we say, nah. kill me first, but you do it since you are the one offering death as a viable solution. We say , nah, we like the world without you. We say, you off my planet! lol

really though, they are so sad and depressed personally by the very nature of what they do they need our anger or approval to satisfy their ego. They know they are pawns and dont even have the benefit of feeling they serve a higher purpose. It's like the feeling of a great party at like 5:30 am the next day.. the "yay we rock" mentality is stale and the real purpose and waste of it is haunting. It makes them perfect candidates for self sacrificing hobbies since they desperately seek to feel that "yay we rock" mentality again. little to simple, well thats how they were sold on it to begin with. They are usually not of the selected blood line, or power base they represent. They are outsiders.

Kind of like "egores" serving a master they only hope will bless them. There really is no guarantee that what they do to us all will save them from the doom the preach. They are sad, defeated, empty men serving an agenda not in line with who they become as people. They are forced to shrink rather than grow. All the while trying to justify "enlightenment" by teaching lies and reveling in meaningless intellectualism.

in their case resistance is useful, for us. They inspire us to continue because we still have that "yay we rock mentality" in spite of being c*@ped on daily. they can't crash our party. We are the party and they chose not to be invited.
they really need us, besides the motives , they need us as motivation. Jokes on them, they only feed our resolution.



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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
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Ah, now his video reminded men of an addition to 5GW performers: Zetas (and their other lovely buddies of the same ilk.)

Whom I believe are likely heavily infested with some form of government / military ops.


Zetas: I'm going to take a wild stab at the term's meaning. It's a play on the omega male concept? The non-viable modern male slipping quietly out of the gene pool. Is the zeta variation someone who isn't willing to leave the pool without taking a lot of people with them?

All the zetas getting funneled together into stagnant little networks.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Corroboration for the 5GW operative as an independent contractor, as opposed to a state asset:

Federal Contractor Monitored Social Networking Sites

From the article:


A department official said Friday that the social network monitoring program did not produce reports about public opinion, but instead focused exclusively on monitoring crises like hazardous material spills, shooting incidents and natural disasters.


Uh-huh. Pull the other one.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous

Originally posted by Aeons
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Ah, now his video reminded men of an addition to 5GW performers: Zetas (and their other lovely buddies of the same ilk.)

Whom I believe are likely heavily infested with some form of government / military ops.


Zetas: I'm going to take a wild stab at the term's meaning. It's a play on the omega male concept? The non-viable modern male slipping quietly out of the gene pool. Is the zeta variation someone who isn't willing to leave the pool without taking a lot of people with them?

All the zetas getting funneled together into stagnant little networks.
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No that wasn't it, but I like it. I think we used to call them nerds.

The Zeta drug gang/cartel in Mexico.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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They know they are pawns and dont even have the benefit of feeling they serve a higher purpose. It's like the feeling of a great party at like 5:30 am the next day.. the "yay we rock" mentality is stale and the real purpose and waste of it is haunting.


Wow, I am so glad I suggested you give us some more. You are. like, fing channeling yourself or something there, bubba.

Sounds like you have been there. I am surprised we didn't see one another out by the beer can littered pool.

Yep, we have come to similar conclusions. They are us no matter how hard they don't want to be and we are them. I say we use the OODA loop to beat them to the punch and love them so hard they pop.

We just need to get good at recognizing their spore and when we do we just humorously point it out. When we get good at doing that all together with unanimity it will be over.

Pizza time!




posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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The Zeta drug gang/cartel in Mexico.


Oboy. I'm blushing like a schoolgirl.


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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Frater210
We just need to get good at recognizing their spore and when we do we just humorously point it out. When we get good at doing that all together with unanimity it will be over.

Pizza time!


And wings. With blue cheese dip. Get out of my head - I was here first.

Social Work on Psy-Ops.

"I see that you are angry. It must be painful for you..."

"I see that you are using mirroring. That is an interesting use of it, would you like to discuss it more?"




posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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"I see that you are using mirroring. That is an interesting use of it, would you like to discuss it more?"


Exactly. Or we can just go full blown Narrative Therapy on their asses; they've got it coming...

"And how is telling yourself that helping you to reach your goals in life?"

They really don't stand a chance.

Get this: We were raised on Monty Python and Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus trilogy. How are they going to deal with that? I personally feel as though I am inoculated against 5GW narrative warriors because I go through the entire run of all MP episodes twice yearly (it is a personal and ongoing project in Sociology for me; laugh if you like).

Anyway, yeah, I know, I just want everyone to sit down and have a meal together and not have to worry about any of this crap. Since we have to I suppose we should just get silly on them.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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when reason fails for the lack of it, revel in the humor of your opponents insanity. It is beneficial for all.

"So we are all going to die huh, damn, now?"
"YES YOU ARE IN DANGER, GRAB YOUR GUNS AND GET ER DONE"
"um. I dont have any can I borrow yours, I go first though I call dibs, or "shotgun"...lol "

and so on

no but really, put yourself in their shoes. They have more to lose. We are screwed from the get go, they go off the premise that they have achieved a special understanding and so are like "saved" or something similar.

When you expose how nuts it is and on top of that show them how hard you are LYFAO, it actually hurts them. They dont want to provoke humor, though at times its all that we can get out of it. They want us to take them seriously. so, when in doubt, dont be dry and cold about it, let your smile show. or if need be laugh your ass off.
It is really healthy. Humor is a great pass time and a good tool for motivation. Who doesn't like a funny.

If they catch on and try and flip it on you, be a bastard and take their high ground. It is particularly effective on the older ones amongst them. They have complex humor that is usually pretty candid. They will reveal more about themselves when they feel they have to relate. When they do that, they are used to people being in on the joke with them. It doesn't translate well to the "other" audience.

For the younger crowd they enlist, be cold and all that. The newer generations of them are more savvy in our mindset. Take the authoritative role and provoke the knee jerk reaction they have to prove themselves to their "masters". Make them think they are somehow betraying their "cause". In youth instill doubt. They will eat themselves alive inside. They dont have the benefit of years of getting their asses kicked by life. They are soft inside. If not they are volatile/ self destructive.

always walk away with a laugh. Even if the win isn't yours. It isn't taking it less seriously. it's being yourself in spite of it all. Let them and us know. WE ROCK.

If not we let the man get us down.lol


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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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4GW vs. 5GW summed up in two images:






posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous

Originally posted by Aeons
edit on 14-1-2012 by mistermonculous because: while you guys are monitoring facebook and forums like these, you might get a few operatives into the vent channels. you're welcome.



Absolutely. I suspect that my favourite example of this concept found some succor there. Vent, Team Speak, etc.

While Porn teaches you that Asian males don't exist, Vent teaches you that the only people everyone hates are Chinese.


Then again, they might be recruiting and guiding their own ghosts in the machine animated into real life agents from such environments.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Frater210
Anyway, yeah, I know, I just want everyone to sit down and have a meal together and not have to worry about any of this crap. Since we have to I suppose we should just get silly on them.
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Now the only problem with this is that often people don't engage when they don't actually have a real iron in the fire. They aren't looking to defend something. They are only there to distract, or take people off track, or get out some new little talking point.

In this case, the distract and manipulate seem to be done on a large scale. So engagement doesn't have as much impact, because you are literally tied down while their compatriots are off doing the same bull in ten thousand other places.

In this case, I think being willing to adopt their tactics is worthwhile. He doesn't actually care about this point, and is just using time to reiterate. Be willing to be mobile. You see something coming down, and you adopt being mobile as well. No need to engage. Beating this one "person" isn't important. They don't care about what they are saying, so challenging them or bringing some critical thought to the moment isn't useful except to the same audience they are playing to.

This means being willing to reduce the challenge of "I see you are doing X" and use the opportunity to inject some reasonable thought packaged so that people can understand it, and then be willing to move onto the next place they are doing the same damn thing. Challenging the individual 'player' is less important than teaching others to be able to challenge the player themselves.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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WOW!

Havent posted on ATS in a long time. This thread forced me to sign in. Amazing thread.

Love him or hate him,Pat Buchanon has a few good ideas. His book is a prime example of 5GW. Obviously ideas are being excluded from the conversation. Very easy to vilify a person in a cultural that is politically correct, even when the culture is arguing against its best interests.

Also, I have always stated that memes propagated by our culture were intended to mitigate our cultural deficiencies and increase our strength. But a culture hampered by the rule of the minority is incapable of fighting off even the slightest adversary.

I hope to learn and have something to offer.


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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Huh. Interesting. He sort of turned into a chicken-fried Spengler.

Thanks for stopping by, I'm glad you're talking to us about this stuff.
I believe you are specifically addressing Aeons' angle on first-world immigration policies. Although that may be a a thread in the 5GW tapestry, it is not the entire picture.

You believe, then, that immigration has been intentionally weaponized?



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Frater210
Anyway, yeah, I know, I just want everyone to sit down and have a meal together and not have to worry about any of this crap. Since we have to I suppose we should just get silly on them.
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This means being willing to reduce the challenge of "I see you are doing X" and use the opportunity to inject some reasonable thought packaged so that people can understand it, and then be willing to move onto the next place they are doing the same damn thing. Challenging the individual 'player' is less important than teaching others to be able to challenge the player themselves.


F210 and I had a conversation recently about how one would approach this without resorting to the devil's toolkit, so to speak. Because you're right. If one wants to challenge some of this stuff in a way that is effective; one almost has to look into things like persona management software. As one person you can't throw down on all of the dozens of blogs, news sites, forums you would need to be participating in on a daily basis.

How, for eff's sake, does a man who loves virtue hash out a viable game plan on this? No bots, no sock puppets, no poo-flinging: no victory?

What's in our toolkit, guys?

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posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
4GW vs. 5GW summed up in two images:


In more than one way. Includes their hoped for strength. If I'm not mistaken that is the Yangtze Dam in that picture. Includes a huge freaking target.



posted on Jan, 15 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Terrible news, Aeons!

Why target infrastructure that was already built to bust, I say.



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