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5GW, Netcentric Warfare, and What Every Citizen Should Know About the New Front

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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Well, yeah. I have that self-same misgiving from time to time. Bulls in the psy-op china shop.

Those wanting a well distilled rundown on the generational progression of warfare and the OODA loop should check this out. There's more sweet diagrams, and the guy is very precise in his language. Here's a salient excerpt:


If traditional war centered on an enemy's physical strength, and 4GW on his moral strength, the 5th Generation of War would focus on his intellectual strength. A 5th Generation War might be fought with one side not knowing who it is fighting. Or even, a brilliantly executed 5GW might involve one side being completely ignorant that there ever was a war. It's like the old question of what was the perfect robbery: we will never know, because in a perfect robbery the bank would not know that it was robbed.



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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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The real reason the government wants NDAA, SOPA because they turned on their own people by committing the crime of the century (911) on American citizens and blamed several innocent countries for the attacks as evidence proves this.
Our Government knew it would be a matter of time before the world would wake up to the real facts. Your right about the government being scared and they ought to be, they knew it was a matter of time that THEY would have to be held “accountable.” Did these corrupt politicians think they could get away with murdering and torturing innocent people? The more our government suppresses our freedoms especially from the lies they continue to enforce by using our media, the more Americans will want to throw them out of office. The fact is the United States government has declared war on its own people.

I will never sell out my freedom for security. Those that do have been deceived by the lies from a group of corrupted politicians starting with Bush, Cheney, Obama, and govern Walker from Ohio and many more including high brass official in the Pentagon.

These corrupt and very dangerous politicians are using every available resource to stop Americans from spreading the truth about their corruption and by passing these unconstitutional bills (NDAA, SOPA) were no different than our leaders spitting in our faces and the Constitution, the very Constitution they swore to protect when they were elected into office.

My opinion is the government cannot continue on this path of destruction against freedom and Americans. With unemployment at its all-time highest, more jobs to be cut and many powerful corporations demanding more slave labors (privatizes prisons) and no accountability from corruption from the Banking cartels and Wall Street (more bail outs) for the criminals and the list goes on and on. The fact is its going to snowball anytime soon, perhaps that it why the Obama administration order all FEMA camps to be open and in full operation because they expect chaos any time soon.

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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It would appear to me the 5 Generation Warfare model is leveling warfare capabilities back in to the hands of the citizen.

No longer will the citizen have to face a giant with a sling shot.

Since the only legitimate role of Government is the protection of liberty and freedom of its citizens along with the defending from an invasion, 5GW would appear as a serious threat to a Government out of control.

So, logic would hold that any Government that would be in fear of 5GW has already identified itself as out of control. Making it a target for such an attack from the global populace.

So, any Government which is taking pre-emptive steps in defense of 5GW has already made the decision that it would rather stay out of control other than returning to its true role.

This in itself identifies that Government as an Enemy of “We the People” which being an enemy of “We the People” justifies a 5GW attack.

What actually removes the threat of 5GW is for the Government to act with in its bounds responsibly.
Personally, I don’t believe the Greed and Corruption that plagues every Government will allow the Governments to alter their course and I for one am thankful that the 5GW is available as a real weapon.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Just so you are aware Impressme, I have tried to Star your reply and the system will Not allow me to give you a Star.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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the thing is OP, that there will always be a reason to panic. There is always a front to any war you pick. The warriors code teaches that the greatest skill and ally of the warrior is not his craft in warfare, but his ability to avoid the battle. To conquer the enemy without stepping foot on the battle field.

Take for example terrorism. Almost every state worth its weight in military tonnage, knows that by acknowledging the struggle the enemy tries to get attention to, they in effect give them a place to wage their war. If it is separatists for example, by acknowledging them as being wrong you take the position at the other end of the cannon. If you simply denounce their tactics, which is usually the real issue, you force them into your battle ground. Political discourse and diplomatic negotiation. A world scene out on display with rules of conduct on both sides. It is not naive to rely on your community (planet earth) to help and bring reason and order.

If you just "send in the marines", you validate their claim that you will enforce your opinion no matter the truth they may or may not have. That leads people to look to them as possible victims of what could be a valid struggle for the correct. You then pave the way for chaos and in the process make yourself look like an enemy of truth or fairness.

It is better to be rational and respect the world enough not to try not to impose a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Time and history teaches us that chaos always tries to establish itself as the end of times or the final and true omega. Order and reason are the quiet stone that outlasts them and becomes the foundation of our tomorrows.
any argument for progress must build on that. When you try and justify a drastic action by the drastic circumstances you only serve those circumstances in committing to them "as is".



Like if everyday a kid walks by my house and rips out my flowers. If I in turn break the flower pot so he can't ever do that again, I would be accepting his initial want of "no flowers there"

If I plant those flowers day after day and flat out tell him along with all my neighbors who like flowers "we will outlast you", he might have fun for a while, but eventually he will have to deal with everyone who stands by me. It won't be worth it after some time, and more importantly he won't change our tradition of keeping flowers in our front yard. If I gave in and the next and the next, he wins. This way we win.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
An example of 5GW done slow and focused mainly on economics: China's foreign policies. Explicitly.


Sun Tsu is alive and well in the 5GW. The Chinese call it "Unrestricted Warfare". We beat them to the moon, they beat us to the New War.

The concept derives from 1999 Chinese military training manual of the same name. The premise is that every arena of human activity is a potential battleground. They reckon that the US' major weakness is our reliance upon traditional warfare, and that our military strategy is driven solely by tech development.

Here's where the real Front has migrated:


Reducing one's opponent, the book notes, can be accomplished in a number of ways other than direct military confrontation. The book notes that these alternative methods "have the same and even greater destructive force than military warfare, and they have already produced serious threats different from the past and in many directions for...national security."

Lawfare:

Lawfare, or political action through transnational or non-governmental organizations can effect a policy change that would be impossible otherwise. Because of the international nature of the modern world and activism, it is much easier for nation-states to affect policy in other nation-states through a proxy.

Economic warfare:

Owing to the interconnected nature of global economics, nations can inflict grievous harm on the economies of other nations without taking any offensive action.

Network warfare:

see iWar
One of the better-known alternatives in this book is the idea of attacking networks. Networks are increasingly important in not only data exchange but also transportation, financial institutions, and communication. Attacks that disable networks can easily hamstring large areas of life that are dependent on them for coordination. One example of network warfare would be shutting down a network that supplies power. If there is a significant failure in the power grid caused by the attack, massive power outages could result, crippling industry, defense, medicine, and all other areas of life.

Terrorism:

Another famous instance of Unrestricted Warfare policy is terrorism. Terrorism is used by a group to gain satisfaction for certain demands. Even if these demands are not satisfied, a terrorist attack can have vastly disproportionate effects on national welfare. One only has to look at the economic crisis that followed the terrorist attacks against the United States, or the extensive security measures put in place after those same attacks. Terrorism erodes a nation's sense of security and well being, even if the direct effects of the attacks only concern a minute percentage of the population.


As the authors state, the new range of options combined with the rising cost (both political and financial) of waging traditional warfare results in the rising dominance of the new alternatives to traditional military action. A state that does not heed these warnings is in dire shape.
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In the linked PDF published in 2006, the author makes a very convincing argument that the battleground currently seeing the most action is public opinion. We'll come back to that.


Related reading:

www.intelligentzia.ch...
cryptome.org...


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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by impressme
The real reason the government wants NDAA, SOPA because they turned on their own people by committing the crime of the century (911) on American citizens and blamed several innocent countries for the attacks as evidence proves this.


Hey man, thanks for stopping by. I appreciate your passion. I don't want to be a tool here, but I'd rather this not turn into a 9/11 Truth thread.
Not that I have anything against those threads, but there's some very dense subject matter to cover and discuss here; and I'd prefer to avoid a derailing. So! This will be the only time I address 9/11 in this thread, and I hope any subsequent posters will forgive my non-engagement on the topic hereafter.

Let's look at this again:


A 5th Generation War might be fought with one side not knowing who it is fighting.


And this:


These partners (often morally ambivalent markets), will put heavy pressure on the target state to resolve the crisis...the blame for sustained systems disruption typically rebounds onto the state itself.


There's a whole lot of people in our government. Millions. A lot a lot. There's a lot of vertical communication, but very little horizontal feedback going on. There's a problem that arises when cross-bureaucratic communication is poor due to compartmentalization and hierarchical information sharing: it's easy to sneak an operative (or a loosely networked band of operatives) into a position where they can effect maximum systems disruption from within.

It will hopefully become clearer throughout the course of this thread that the main thrust of 5GW theory is geared increasingly toward the manipulation of public opinion. It looks, to me, that if a state entity of any sort; market, virtual, or nation wanted to nuke public opinion they couldn't have done better than to pull off 9/11 and then make it look like the government's fault.

But that's neither here nor effing there.

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by brokedown
It would appear to me the 5 Generation Warfare model is leveling warfare capabilities back in to the hands of the citizen.

No longer will the citizen have to face a giant with a sling shot.

Since the only legitimate role of Government is the protection of liberty and freedom of its citizens along with the defending from an invasion, 5GW would appear as a serious threat to a Government out of control.


Okay, guys. You can't talk open sedition and then cry when the nanny state yanks your rights. The lesson to take away here is that we should be focusing on cultivating the Open-Source citizen, rather than the Five Gee Dub operative.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Take for example terrorism. Almost every state worth its weight in military tonnage, knows that by acknowledging the struggle the enemy tries to get attention to, they in effect give them a place to wage their war. If it is separatists for example, by acknowledging them as being wrong you take the position at the other end of the cannon. If you simply denounce their tactics, which is usually the real issue, you force them into your battle ground. Political discourse and diplomatic negotiation. A world scene out on display with rules of conduct on both sides. It is not naive to rely on your community (planet earth) to help and bring reason and order.


Hell yes. Thanks for posting.

What I find really neat about the 5GW problem is that it implies its own solution. And the poster above just nailed a few key ways to cure the disease.



posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Some of the tensions with ethnicity are being provoked through social engineering that is disrespectful, and packaged with economic agreements in such a way that I have to wonder if certain governments / super-governments are intentionally looking to cause a breakdown or if they are just that stupid.


Right, I know Aeons, I think that if we consider what we have discussed here and elsewhere concerning weaponized narrative, a prime tool of 5GW, it might be easier for folks to see what the main story is that is updated every morning and evening; the story that we hate one another.

Once I realized that there was this common theme of hate with a side of sausage served up every morning via all communication networks, I was able to identify and neutralize it. Now I am just concerned because lots of others have not learned that trick. We need a majority that are hip to that simple technique. You just substitute it with your own narrative




The things they are pushing happen naturally and particularly are driven naturally in a trade economy without need to directly tie them to social immigration policies that are not respectful and encourage cultural-less states. Cultural-less states are weak. People inherently know this, and fight back.


Yes, that is why they are desperate to understand narrative. I am harping on that because it must be considered as the primary method used at the front line of assault on civilian populations. It concerns you and I and everyone.

Still working through your very dense post, Aeons, thanks.




posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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The fact is its going to snowball anytime soon, perhaps that it why the Obama administration order all FEMA camps to be open and in full operation because they expect chaos any time soon.


Hi ImpressMe,

Great post using a well developed, decade-old story.

Please realize that I am not looking to argue but to develop some ideas around all of this that we may not have considered. So I was wondering if, just for the sake of stimulating further discussion, you would be so kind as to read my last post at the bottom of page 1?

Considering what I wrote I would say that you have a story there that you would like for us to try on. It's an old story, ImpressMe, and folks have been waiting for the final act for quite a while. Do you think it might be something else? A distraction from some thing else?



And also, yes, it is exciting for people of a certain mind set to think that they too could be a 5GW, Open Source Net-Warrior at will.

I would like to offer that although you can, it is the same problem as citizens thinking they have the firepower to handle an armed occupation by a Core State (U.S., China, Russia). It is a pipe dream fantasy for another thread.

What we can do however is empower ourselves in precisely the way suggested by this thread.

We simply have to be able to know 5GW when we see it; shine a light on it, and the rats will crawl back to their holes. In fact, since we are talking about mostly our web presence vs. their web presence; when we catch em' the trick is to publicly out and humiliate them. Or at the very least question their 'stories' with humour and acumen.

We must become empowered citizens ready for 5GW...

If you have been following along it should be clear that armed insurrection is way down at the bottom of the list.

Please all review the OODA loop and John Boyd. We use our brains, not guns.

Which brings us back to China, the Chinese People not the Chinese Govt. How many invasions have they endured. And how many of those invasions were merely absorbed in to China? Just absorbed and digested. The Chinese People have endured much and there is probably a lesson to be learned there that can be applied to the 'Citizens 5GW Warbag'. For us it is going to be primarily about awareness.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Generally to everyone keeping up:

Considering what we are learning about 5GW, what do you think now of posters on ATS that suggest armed insurrection?

For that matter what do you think of posters that seem to use inflammatory statements to piss you off and draw you in and galvanize your opinion?

Is it 5GW in action?

Consider the DARPA thread and everything we have gone over so far...

...would it behoove states that are behind the game to try and rapidly develop and deploy exercises and progroms to test and develop these theories of 5GW assault and warfare?

And who would they hire to do it?

That's the whole idea, ATS...

...we must develop our 5GW goggles. Sort of like beer goggles but these could save the human race.




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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Frater210
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Yes, that is why they are desperate to understand narrative. I am harping on that because it must be considered as the primary method used at the front line of assault on civilian populations. It concerns you and I and everyone.


This provides a neat segue into netcentric warfare, and the tactical importance of public opinion. Netcentric theory attempts to address the weaknesses in interdepartmental communication I have cited many times in this thread.

Network-centric Warfare


Network-centric warfare, also called network-centric operations,[1] is a military doctrine or theory of war pioneered by the United States Department of Defense in the 1990's.

It seeks to translate an information advantage, enabled in part by information technology, into a competitive advantage through the robust networking of well informed geographically dispersed forces.[2] This networking—combined with changes in technology, organization, processes, and people—may allow new forms of organizational behavior.

Specifically, the theory contains the following four tenets in its hypotheses:[3]

A robustly networked force improves information sharing;

Information sharing enhances the quality of information and shared situational awareness;
Shared situational awareness enables collaboration and self-synchronization, and enhances sustainability and speed of command; and

These, in turn, dramatically increase mission effectiveness.


The market imperative asserts itself here, as well. If the net is the primary battleground in the war over public opinion, there's a lot of turf to try and cover; and sometimes persona management bots just aren't up to snuff. Salaried employees aren't tenable for many reasons to most players on this board. So, there's a burgeoning new market for 5GW web mercs.


From here:


Well implemented networking can contribute to improved effectiveness in other ways. One such technique is 'self synchronisation' which permits 'directive control'. Rather than micromanage a warfighting asset with close control via a command link tether, warfighters are given significant autonomy, defined objectives, and allowed to take the initiative in how they meet these objectives.


Just as independent contractors are now favored in the market over dedicated employees; so 5GW mercs are perhaps now being contracted out by various entities to obtain their objective (opinion persuasion) by any means at their disposal.

As F210 says, we have to learn to start spotting this stuff for what it is when we see it.

Hot enough for ya yet?

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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For what it is worth...

THEDUDE86 just nailed one right here.

Of course we have no way of knowing what the agenda of the OP is,

All I wish to point out here is that THDUDE86 has some kinda goggles on that allowed him to see what was up on that thread, a guy spamming conspiracy sites with silliness about the illuminati.

That is precisely the pattern recognition I am talking about.




posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Salaried employees aren't tenable for many reasons to most players on this board. So, there's a burgeoning new market for 5GW web mercs.




Just as independent contractors are now favored in the market over dedicated employees; so 5GW mercs are perhaps now being contracted out by various entities to obtain their objective (opinion persuasion) by any means at their disposal.


Great stuff MM,

'Web-Mercs', just what we need.


Even our favorite sci fi authors did not think of this one, It looks like 'CyberPunk' really has arrived. If this weren't all such a direct threat to the citizenry I would find it entertaining.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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'Web-Mercs', just what we need.




Indeed, dude.

So, I think the next thing to tackle would be how to spot the wily webmerc in his native habitat: forums, social networking sites. And maybe also look into the overlap of freelance infosec contractors and paid Effectors.

It might be handy to look at the techniques employed by corporate shills on the web to provide us a way to recognize the parallel techniques employed by their 5GW counterparts (btw, the distinctions are very loose between the two, there is probably another overlap there).

There are lots of how to spot a shill/sock-puppet resources out there, so I'll just itemize a few traits I've spotted, and hope others expand on it.


-Monomania
-Refusal to address legitimate rebuttals or mitigating facts
-Spamming a thread/blog
-Deploying the full gamut of derailment tactics from the logical fallacy arsenal
-A consistency in message, but a (sometimes drastically) shifting writing style

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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The last stage of warfare is where Corporations/Government use something so advanced....yet its right in front of your face and you didn't know its capabilities.

They detect who they deem as good/needed, and everyone else is on the naughty list server and automated software runs to eliminate them.


Whether it be hidden UV light LED's in the computer screen in front of you kicked on to give you skin cancer....to the wireless communication device on your computer feeding your RFID energy, generating cancer. Or maybe your cellphone will be set to detonate its lithium battery next to your head. Could be your fully computerized car may have its throttle go wide open during a turn they are monitoring you are taking.....

They had YOU buy the technology that could be used to kill you.

Warfare becomes free for Corporations/Government. They accomplish Judgement Day. Keep only those they need.
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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Whoa, man. That's quite a story.

There doesn't have to be any intent behind EMF-related diseases. Just an appalling amount of complacency and lack of due diligence when exploring the health impacts in the development stage.

Out of curiosity, in this scenario you propose, what criteria would the corporations use to divide the good consumer from the bad? Thanks.

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posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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If I plant those flowers day after day and flat out tell him along with all my neighbors who like flowers "we will outlast you", he might have fun for a while, but eventually he will have to deal with everyone who stands by me. It won't be worth it after some time, and more importantly he won't change our tradition of keeping flowers in our front yard. If I gave in and the next and the next, he wins. This way we win.


Thanks casenately,,

That was a really good post and I hope you will stick around to help us grind out some new ways of narrating this story. I really do think this is near to where the key lies. We have lost our ability to trust ourselves, to know what is Good, and we have proven to ourselves for our own reasons that we cannot count on one another to come to some kind of agreement concerning the same (Goodness).

But the fact of the matter is, we can trust ourselves, and we have it in us as human beings to come together as one to get work done swiftly and decisively.

I believe that a time is coming where NetCentric technologies will allow human beings to reclaim this birth right; believed to only be available to schools of fish and flocks of birds and other creatures we see that have this ability to auto-organize.

The gift of this Netcentric world to human beings is that we are going to learn, soon, a new way to very swiftly express our unanimity. It is natural for us to do this. And when it happens?

God save anyone that is trying to pull the wool over our eyes and tell us a story that is harmful and dangerous to us all.




posted on Jan, 14 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Ah, now his video reminded men of an addition to 5GW performers: Zetas (and their other lovely buddies of the same ilk.)

Whom I believe are likely heavily infested with some form of government / military ops.

The one thing I'll totally go in with him on is that I would be highly concerned about gangs in a melt down situation. Either you want to be out of their way, or you want to know how to interact with them. Other options become steadily less appealing.



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