You Were Warned! Obama Adminstration Gathering personal Data on Sites Like ATS

Originally posted by psyop911
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

 

why so socialist, sheeple?

edit on 12-1-2012 by psyop911 because: (no reason given)

Why so cliched and ignorant? You don't even understand what the word means.

Originally posted by Indigo5
Here is the actual Memo....

www.dhs.gov...

It is about compiling a network of politicians and reporters for the purposes of releasing information during national disaster and recovery. It has all types of limitations to that effect. They are looking for means to communicate news in "real time" during a disaster.
Doesn't mean the gov doesn't spy on us, but this document/announcement has nothing to do with it.
The OP and similair articles took the memo I linked to and excluded content that clarifies it's purpose and limitations.
The link is right there....always look for the actual doc...never trust the spin.

The linked article directly quoted from the DHS policy memo.
It is overreaching at its most-obvious.

I read the entire .pdf, and it is not much different in couching terms in inoccuous ways to obscure true intentions than when Napolitano and others determined to label servicemen and conservatives as "domestic terror threats."

I am sure that so long as the DHS and DoJ refer only to "man-caused disasters," you will be content to take them at their word.

Here's the link to the January revisions:
www.dhs.gov...

Just take a look at the Appendices, to see who's being watched and what they are looking for.

Here' the intro to each listing, ana a tiny sample of the initial lists :

This is a representative list of sites that the NOC will start to monitor in order to provide situational awareness and establish a common operating picture under this Initiative. Initial sites listed may link to other sites not listed. The NOC may also monitor those sites if they are within the scope of this Initiative.

Tool Link

Collecta collecta.com...
RSSOwl www.rssowl.org...
Social Mention socialmention.com...
Spy www.spy.appspot.com...
Who's Talkin www.whostalkin.com...
Youtube www.youtube.com...
MySpace Video vids.myspace.com...
Cryptome cryptome.org...
Danger Room www.wired.com...
Drudge Report drudgereport.com...
Informed Comment www.juancole.com...
LA Now latimes.com...
Newsweek Blogs blog.newsweek.com...
NYTimes Lede Blog thelede.nytimes.com...
Plowshares Fund www.ploughshares.org...
Popular Science Blogs www.popsci.com...
Public Intelligence publicintelligence.net...
ReliefWeb www.reliefweb.int...
RigZone www.rigzone.com...
Science Daily www.sciencedaily.com...
STRATFOR www.stratfor.com...
Technorati technorati.com...

This is a current list of terms that will be used by the NOC when monitoring social media sites to provide situational awareness and establish a common operating picture. As natural or manmade disasters occur, new search terms may be added.

Terrorism
Attack
Agro
Environmental terrorist
Eco terrorism
Separatists
Jihad
Suspicious substance
Pirates
Extremism
Radicals
Home grown
Plot
Nationalist
Recruitment
Fundamentalism
Emergency
Ice
Disaster
Snow
Power outage
Border Patrol
Homeland Defense
Agent
Task Force
DHS, CIA, FBI, FEMA, ICE
DEA, ATF, TSA
Domestic Security
Attack
Exercise
Cops
Law enforcement
Mitigation
Prevention
Response
Recovery
Emergency management
Emergency response
Militia
Police
State of emergency
Security
Breach
Threat
Standoff
SWAT
Screening
Lockdown

The list is several single-spaced pages, and is only "representative" of the "man-made disaster"-related topics and people to be monitored.

Believe what you want.

Originally posted by jdub297

Here' the intro to each listing, ana a tiny sample of the initial lists :

This is a representative list of sites that the NOC will start to monitor in order to provide situational awareness and establish a common operating picture under this Initiative. Initial sites listed may link to other sites not listed. The NOC may also monitor those sites if they are within the scope of this Initiative.

Tool Link

Collecta collecta.com...
RSSOwl www.rssowl.org...
Social Mention socialmention.com...
Spy www.spy.appspot.com...
Who's Talkin www.whostalkin.com...
Youtube www.youtube.com...
MySpace Video vids.myspace.com...
Cryptome cryptome.org...
Danger Room www.wired.com...
Drudge Report drudgereport.com...
Informed Comment www.juancole.com...
LA Now latimes.com...
Newsweek Blogs blog.newsweek.com...
NYTimes Lede Blog thelede.nytimes.com...
Plowshares Fund www.ploughshares.org...
Popular Science Blogs www.popsci.com...
Public Intelligence publicintelligence.net...
ReliefWeb www.reliefweb.int...
RigZone www.rigzone.com...
Science Daily www.sciencedaily.com...
STRATFOR www.stratfor.com...
Technorati technorati.com...

This is a current list of terms that will be used by the NOC when monitoring social media sites to provide situational awareness and establish a common operating picture. As natural or manmade disasters occur, new search terms may be added.

Terrorism
Attack
Agro
Environmental terrorist
Eco terrorism
Separatists
Jihad
Suspicious substance
Pirates
Extremism
Radicals
Home grown
Plot
Nationalist
Recruitment
Fundamentalism
Emergency
Ice
Disaster
Snow
Power outage
Border Patrol
Homeland Defense
Agent
Task Force
DHS, CIA, FBI, FEMA, ICE
DEA, ATF, TSA
Domestic Security
Attack
Exercise
Cops
Law enforcement
Mitigation
Prevention
Response
Recovery
Emergency management
Emergency response
Militia
Police
State of emergency
Security
Breach
Threat
Standoff
SWAT
Screening
Lockdown

The list is several single-spaced pages, and is only "representative" of the "man-made disaster"-related topics and people to be monitored.

Believe what you want.

I just wanted to repeat this list. I wonder how many times we can make CARNIVORE trip over this list of keywords? That way, they can pass it on to DHS to check out, giving them something to do for their paychecks besides fondling children at airports and the like.

Think of it as job security!

The time is nigh.

In the 62 cases reviewed, the subjects increasingly spoke out against the government, blamed the government for perceived problems and did so in a way that caught the attention of other people in their communities, according to the senior counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the private White House event. Subjects became active on the Internet to espouse extremist views. In some cases, the subjects purchased weapons, ammunition or explosive materials.

Source: Police chiefs to discuss terrorism at White House

So then, speaking out against the government makes one a "domestic terrorist" now. Becoming active (esp. politically) on the internet makes one a "domestic terrorist".This is what is called a "chilling effect" on the First Amendment. it doesn't abolish it, it merely makes people afraid to exercise it. The same net effect - a chilling one.

One might ask what constitutes "extremist views" in relation to this meeting. I think it might be best to allow Law Enforcement to answer that question in it's own words. The following quote is from an 18 year Law Enforcement veteran who is still active in Law Enforcement:

No matter what topic the training session concerns, every DHS sponsored course I have attended over the past few years never fails to branch off into warnings about potential domestic terrorists in the community. While this may sound like a valid officer and community safety issue, you may be disturbed to learn how our Federal government describes a typical domestic terrorist.

These federal trainers describe the dangers of “extremists” and “militia groups” roaming the community and hiding in plain sight, ready to attack. Officers are instructed how to recognize these domestic terrorists by their behavior, views and common characteristics. State data bases are kept to track suspected domestic terrorists and officers are instructed on reporting procedures to state and federal agencies. The state I work in, like many others, have what is known as a “fusion center” that compiles a watch list of suspicious people.

So how does a person qualify as a potential domestic terrorist? Based on the training I have attended, here are characteristics that qualify:

Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

Source: Beware of Homeland Security Training for Local Law Enforcement, by An Insider

That last article mentions several interesting aspects of this new, kinder, gentler means of oppression. The author laments that:

During the past several years, I have witnessed a dramatic shift in the focus of law enforcement training. Law enforcement courses have moved away from a local community focus to a federally dominated model of complete social control. Most training I have attended over the past two years have been sponsored by Department of Homeland Security (DHS), namely the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

He also explains how DHS is training Law Enforcement to use people's livelihoods against them if they really want to get 'em, but trumping up charges via a list of items that, by a stretch, CAN be used in a nefarious manner. or example, a plumber can be made into a domestic terrorist by listing that he has lengths of pipe in his garage - pipe is used to make... pipe bombs. Ergo, anyone with pipe laying around (i.e.plumbers) can be charged with "terrorism" if the authorities want them for something else badly enough, and that is what they are being trained to do.

All in all, that is a fairly informative read.

All of this in combination indicates the noose is tightening. There's more to add in, such as (but by no means limited to) the recent (past 10 years or so) and ongoing militarization of police forces courtesy of DHS disbursements of federal funds to buy local agencies - via buying them all manner of pretty, warlike baubles.

Did you know that a Texas county has their very own surveillance drone, courtesy DHS?

In Montgomery County, Texas, the sheriff’s department owns a $300,000 pilotless surveillance drone, like those used to hunt down al Qaeda terrorists in the remote tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. In Augusta, Maine, with fewer than 20,000 people and where an officer hasn’t died from gunfire in the line of duty in more than 125 years, police bought eight $1,500 tactical vests. Police in Des Moines, Iowa, bought two $180,000 bomb-disarming robots, while an Arizona sheriff is now the proud owner of a surplus Army tank.

Source: Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons

I'm no doubt already on the list, and so have nothing to gain by remaining low profile and slinking away into the night. I reckon I'll just have to stand where I am and hold my ground until the tanks batter the walls down. Note to DHS Surveillance: Flashbangs are heartily disrecommended. You won't like what happens if they fly here. Teargas will probably be all right (try to avoid the flammable curtains, eh?), but pepper spray seems to have little effect on me for some odd reason. Use it if you want - I've always got burritos and tacos around that need seasoning.

Now, I can hear the bots squalling about "Butbutbut all that was started under Bush!" So it was, perhaps, but Obama has done nary a damned thing to dismantle it, stop it, or even slow it down. On the contrary, he has intensified it.

The thread title is appropriate - we HAVE been warned.

P.S. - all I have done here is precisely what DHS claims to be doing, and which is a common intelligence practice - putting seemingly unrelated puzzle pieces together to see what the picture on the face of the puzzle really is. In this case, it is NOT a cute kitty laying in a flower bed. It looks like domestic terrorism to me, but not the sort that DHS is wanting to expose...

reply to post by nenothtu

It is not the list but the language of the Act, the 1/6/12 "modification," and DHS' interpretation of them that makes all the difference.

Appendix "A" of the NOC (page 14) begins with a "description" of the sites monitored.

APPENDIX A

Social Media Web Sites Monitored by the NOC

This is a representative list of sites that the NOC will start to monitor in order to provide situational awareness and establish a common operating picture under this Initiative. Initial sites listed may link to other sites not listed. The NOC may also monitor those sites if they are within the scope of this Initiative.

Read between the lines, and recall that under DHS' "interpretation," returning servicemen and conservative activists were well-within the definition of "domestic terror threats."
From 2009 DHS' "Terror Lexicon" (Unclassified/For Official Use Only (UFOUO)):
Source

DHS Document Lists "Alternative Media" As Potential Terrorists

It is narrow-minded credulity that permits ever-greater intrusion by the government into things that were once off limits.
People need to read between the lines to see what's really going on and being done to their freedom.

You Were Warned! Obama Adminstration Gathering personal Data on Sites Like ATS

Good luck.

jw

reply to post by jdub297


Therein lies the rub. I've long stood against the alleged ability of Federal agencies to use "interpretations" and "determinations" to make agency policy that carries the force of law. They are NOT in the legislature, no one elected them, and I WILL NOT follow their "laws". Agency rules are NOT laws, whatever they want you to believe.

Want to make a law? Run for an elective office.

reply to post by nenothtu

In my professional life, I've come across more than one gov't "official" whose own opinion guides and directs his/her interpretation of "the law."

The more discretion you permit, the more that some will feel free to exercise.

Gov't "authority" should be stingily dealt-out, rather than granted to those who would be quick to grab as much as possible.

jw

reply to post by jdub297


Man, they are wasting their time in my opinion, to me, there are bigger things to protect us from than cyper talk... How about Pakistan, Iran, Korea... anyone else worried about us being attacked?

Originally posted by theflamingswan92
reply to post by jdub297

 

Man, they are wasting their time in my opinion, to me, there are bigger things to protect us from than cyper talk... How about Pakistan, Iran, Korea... anyone else worried about us being attacked?

I wouldn't worry.

Despite labelling these thugs as terrorists and supporters of terrorists, the Obama administration has abandoned prior assertions of "zero tolerance" and a refusal to neogtiate with terrorists, and has actively pandered to each of these to see how theu could buy "peace," regardless of cost or truth.

See, they'll soon be our friends!
jw

reply to post by BIHOTZ


Got a interesting phone call today from my cable company Comcast/Xfinity.

We were scheduled for May 27th to have a rep come out to look at a leak and this was in connection with Home Land Security.........we have excellent service, no leaks.

I told the woman on the phone, no, we did not schedule a service and do not send any reps out.

Next I contacted by e-mail my cable company listed above to see if it was a legit call and yes it was.

They want to inspect all the homes in our neighborhood in the name of Home Land Security.

I told her via e-mail chat that under no circumstances were any of their technicians to come onto my property without my permission and inspect or install any equipment.

We pose no threat.

We are senior citizens, natural born Americans, with no criminal record. We have nothing to hide as we are quiet law abiding people.

Anytime someone says "Home Land Security" I cringe because I do not trust my government or their "Home Land Security".

Yes I know "they" can trace, monitor and listen in to anyone they choose via satellite anytime they choose, but I'm not going to hand over the keys to my kingdom or make it any easier for them.

I have nothing to hide as I do not engage in any illegal activity.

The most rebellious thing I do is post on ATS and attended OWS two weekends in a row, with my picture taken and filmed by people dressed in business suits and sun glasses.

1984 is here.

I don't really get that interesting of e-mails so if they want to waste our tax dollars reading my e-mails and listening in on my conversations, go for it.

Constitutional Rights are being shredded right under our noses in my humble opinion.

Home Land Security..................BS

Be aware, stay alert.

your so funny - DARPA allows you to use the internet -- Why? Bçuz its one hell of an intelligence collecting device.

reply to post by 1BornPatriot


Well then they know I know that they do not have the common man's best interest at heart.

Our government sold it's soul a long time ago.

Funny, I think living in a world where everyone snitches on everyone else and privacy is a thing of the past is not funny.

Funny that our Constitution and Amendments are a farce, to me is not funny, it's sad.

And I'm mad.

This is no way to live, but as long as everyone complies it will continue and escalate.

reply to post by ofhumandescent
You have to remember that the Supreme Court has long held that anything you do that is readily visible is subject to capture/recording/surveillance, et c. The real question is, "What is readily visible?"

Does that include postings?
Does that include blogs?
Does that include email?

The problem, I think, is that people are very willing to spout crap thinking they never have to back it up or account for it.

As long as you are honest, frank-ness should never be a problem. Just remember that, "The Whole World is Watching."

jw

They have people on this site, it appears....like all sites, right? One poster last year appeared and became quite popular quickly - posting mostly questions about what kind of guns people had and links to a survival website that was targeted and it's traffic was tracked the whole time that profile was active and then the profile went dead. Soon, the article came out. Beware. I noticed the profile due to a honey pot AV and noticed that they were baiting without sharing. The mods seemed to like the poster, so I figured, "whatever".....the mods aren't stupid here. They had obviously noticed the poster. Nothing to see, right? Just post on and on about your gun collection with photos....
survivalist.com...

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by ofhumandescent

 

You have to remember that the Supreme Court has long held that anything you do that is readily visible is subject to capture/recording/surveillance, et c. The real question is, "What is readily visible?"

Does that include postings?
Does that include blogs?
Does that include email?

The problem, I think, is that people are very willing to spout crap thinking they never have to back it up or account for it.

As long as you are honest, frank-ness should never be a problem. Just remember that, "The Whole World is Watching."

jw

The government has all of your emails, blogs and posts. The Carnivore program can grab it if you don't have your own IP address and use the library. As long as you don't disagree with the government, you're fine.

reply to post by maestromason


Most people reading through this thread will not realize how insightful your short comment is.

reply to post by bodybagPAT


I love my country but do not agree with the majority of it's current governmental policies.

Now Bodybag Pat, what job have you signed up for at the Fema Camps?????

You get my body, better darn make sure it's dead because while being a little old lady I still have some of that fire in my belly our founding fathers had.

reply to post by RainbeauBleu


Well, I do disagree with our current governmental policies.

But, I'm not afraid to stand up for what I believe in.

I would rather die fighting on my feet then serve on my knees.

reply to post by MidnightTide


Above - point index finger upward
Top - point to head
Secret - index finger over closed lips

reply to post by wildtimes

I would love to see that scenario. No one voted.

The outcome would be interesting wouldn't it.

It's all rigged, a sham to give the illusion of freedom of choice.

I hope everyone re-reads your reply..................you know the score.

A prisoner that doesn't realize they are imprisoned will never try to escape.

A slave that doesn't realize they are enslaved will never rebel.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent

It's all rigged, a sham to give the illusion of freedom of choice.

I hope everyone re-reads your reply..................you know the score.

A prisoner that doesn't realize they are imprisoned will never try to escape.

A slave that doesn't realize they are enslaved will never rebel.

Like my signature says.....

"None are more helplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

- Johann W. Von Goethe -