Gay marriage is a threat to humanity, claims Pope

Few thoughts

- on a purely technical point he has a erm "point"- if we are all to turn gay then humanity would soon disappear
- if a religious peson thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, good luck to them
- if someone thinks otherwise good luck to them

Personally I'm not overly bothered as, contrary both to homosexual propagandists who like to overstate the numbers of homosexuals, and contrary to religious extremists who seem to think we will all turn gay- the numbers who choose same sex relationships will remain quite tiny and as such it is rather pointless issue to get upset about

reply to post by PharohGnosis


i'mjust wondering, is there anything in the new testament that actually regards homosexuals, or does you belief that they and their supporters will go to hell come from the old testament?

Originally posted by PharohGnosis

The Bible warned there will be a great falling away and people listening to false doctrine. You people reject true Christianity for falsehood. Embracing the decadent homosexual lifestyle will lead you straight to Hell. Sorry you refuse to accept that but don't cry to God when he cast you into the fire for rejecting him.

Don't forget about eating shellfish, and pork -- and wearing clothing that has more than 2 different kinds of fabric. Those things will cast you into the fire as well, you decadent heathens!

But keeping slaves is okey dokey.

I thought most priests became priests because they liked penises rather than vaginas? Let's face it, all these priests are closet homos and Pope BendaDICK is no exception...

Originally posted by PharohGnosis
It's because you live in darkness that you support sodomites. You'll have to answer to God on the day of Judgment. Then let's see how you enjoy roasting in eternal hellfire.

I want to be very, very rude and insulting to you, you bigot, but rules and decorum prevent it!

And the Pope is a threat to bloody humanity with his poisonous views!

Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by PharohGnosis

 

i'mjust wondering, is there anything in the new testament that actually regards homosexuals, or does you belief that they and their supporters will go to hell come from the old testament?

In the New Testament, there is nothing explicitly against homosexuality. It speaks against prostitutes, both male and female, and rape (Sodom and Gomorrah) but says nothing about homosexual acts of a consensual nature.

In the Old Testament, Leviticus says that homosexuals should be put to death, but one must understand that this was written in a time before modern medicine, and sexually transmitted diseases were not yet understood to be preventable. Of course, Leviticus also forbids shaving, haircuts, and wearing clothes made of more than one type of material...

Not to mention the whole "thou shalt not kill" business.

Someone suggested that I stop by this thread, that I might be interested in it. I am, but I'm also saddened by it. It appears that there is only a little interest in discussing the topic of the opening post. I can only guess that people saw the words "Gay marriage" and "Pope" and fell into familiar patterns of name calling and hatred. That's easy enough to do, but I would ask you to stop following the old ruts of anger and explore love and understanding.

Let's go back to the source article

Gay marriage is one of several threats to the traditional family unit that undermines 'the future of humanity itself', Pope Benedict XVI warned yesterday.

He is simply saying that there are several threats to the traditional family unit and that gay marriage is just one of them. Since a gay family is not "a traditional family unit," his comment is neither surprising or wrong.

The pontiff told diplomats from nearly 180 countries that the education of proper of children needed proper 'settings' and that 'pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman.'

As far as I know, that is still the general opinion of modern science.

He said: 'This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society.
'Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself. The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states.
'Hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue.'

Can we argue that the family is not the fundamental cell of society? Or does anyone wish to argue for policies which weaken instead of strengthen the family?

There may be room for discussion here, but not for hatred. And so many side issues were introduced in this thread:

Irrelevance? Even the article states that some people are leaving other denominations for the Catholic Church because of their denomination's position on gay marriage.

Hates gays? Homophobia? Wants to see gays in hell? Those are all obviously false The consistent position of the Church is that gays are loved, and it wants to see gays saved from Hell.

The Church sex scandal? Sure, a terrible thing. In the US the percentage of priests who were alleged to have sex with minors was 4%, the same as in the American population as a whole. A kid was as safe with a priest as with the average American. It was nothing unique to the Church.

The cover-up? Their may have been cover-ups out of fear and guilt, I don't know, but the Church was following the best medical advice at the time. They were relying on science.

Nazis? Oh, please.

Oh, my opinion? I see homosexuality as similar to a lot of other human traits. For just one example, pick greed. There may be a greed gene, greed may be introduced through upbringing or the environment. I want greedy people to have eternal life in heaven, but greedy acts are going to get in the way of that. I'm perfectly prepared to say greedy acts are wrong, and not resisting impulses to act greedily is wrong. (Yes, there may be some confusion here between wrong and sinful, but I wasn't being completely precise.)

I'd really enjoy talking this over, but I'm not much of a shouter or hater.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by charles1952
Hates gays? Homophobia? Wants to see gays in hell? Those are all obviously false The consistent position of the Church is that gays are loved, and it wants to see gays saved from Hell.

Yes, of course. You are absolutely right.

reply to post by Glass


yes, basically my point. that is always why i ask self proclaimed christians this question.
seems like a pick and chose type of scenario depending on who they want to hate that day.
it's almost like they can ignore the 'sermon on the mount' in order to profess their beliefs against people like gays.
btw, regarding 'thou shalt not kill' , the actual text translates to 'thou shalt not murder.'
if i remember correctly it was constantine that changed the wording.

reply to post by charles1952

He is simply saying that there are several threats to the traditional family unit and that gay marriage is just one of them. Since a gay family is not "a traditional family unit," his comment is neither surprising or wrong.

Given that being gay isn't a choice, his remark is LAUGHABLE! It's not as if those gays chose to be gay and therefore give up marrying a wife they have kids with. They wouldn't sleep with a woman in the first place for crying out loud.

I am sure that I will get hammered on this but the Pope and the Catholic Church should be disbanded. They have no moral authority today after their actions in the church pedifile scandal.

This just their typical religous dogma doodoo ......

Shouldn't the Catholic Church and their Nazi Poop be disbanded after running a child pedifile escort service using the church as a cover for a criminal enterprise? By shielding priests and even intentionally scrubbing the records and complaints about abuse the church is the main actor fasciliting such abuse?

If this was not a "church" nations across the world would put them down like a rabid dog for humaties sake.

reply to post by charles1952


charles, you do have a way with words and explaining yourself.
like i said earlier, long thread, you may not have read that far, is that the pope said it was part of the problem, yet zeroed in on gay marriage in his speech. it is a very interesting subject, and i have no problem with him speaking his mind.
but, to me it's like saying there are many problems with life on earth in general and then only zeroing in on global warming as the issue.
in ways it's just an excuse to preach about one issue and basically regarding the others as semi-irrelevant.
btw, thanx for dropping by.

reply to post by charles1952


Gay people getting married is not going to change heterosexuals into gays. Heterosexuals can and will still get married, regardless of what gay people do. How does gay marriage affect and/or threaten heterosexual marriages? The biggest threat to heterosexual marriages, and therefore the traditional family unit is DIVORCE, not gay marriage. And I'm not yelling at you -- I'm just trying to make a point.

This is the same type of thing we saw during the civil rights movement. People used the bible to justify not giving blacks equal rights. Thankfully, we have moved past this (for the most part) as a society. I believe we will move past the whole gay prejudices as well - it will just take more time.

I believe the only rule you need to live by is the golden rule. If you want to be able to marry the one you love, then so should everyone else.

Originally posted by Glass

Originally posted by charles1952
Hates gays? Homophobia? Wants to see gays in hell? Those are all obviously false The consistent position of the Church is that gays are loved, and it wants to see gays saved from Hell.

Yes, of course. You are absolutely right.

one can find extremism in almost any topic and group.
it's not really that difficult.

reply to post by MrXYZ


i thought the genetics of gays was still questionable.
was a 'gay gene' discovered?

Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

i thought the genetics of gays was still questionable.
was a 'gay gene' discovered?

Let's put it this way: Would you kiss a guy (assuming you're a dude)? If the answer is no, then you know how a gay person feels about kissing a member of the opposite sex. I got a couple of good friends who are gay, and there's no way in hell they'd go for a member of the opposite sex. Not because they chose to do so, but rather because they're simply not attracted to them.

Also, homosexuality is something that's frequent in nature...so it's not even unnatural.

Originally posted by rubbertramp

Originally posted by Glass

Originally posted by charles1952
Hates gays? Homophobia? Wants to see gays in hell? Those are all obviously false The consistent position of the Church is that gays are loved, and it wants to see gays saved from Hell.

Yes, of course. You are absolutely right.

one can find extremism in almost any topic and group.
it's not really that difficult.

This is indeed true. Sometimes I have a hard time restraining my sarcasm in topics such as these.

It does seem strange that the church would open its mind to aliens and evolution, but not homosexuality, even though it's a part of the natural world. Claiming it is going to destroy the human race is beyond absurd. If anything it will help with the overpopulation issue, but it's absolutely silly putting out intentionally hateful statements about what the "church" believes. I thought this pope was turning things around, but I guess I was wrong.

The Bible warned there will be a great falling away and people listening to false doctrine. You people reject true Christianity for falsehood. Embracing the decadent homosexual lifestyle will lead you straight to Hell. Sorry you refuse to accept that but don't cry to God when he cast you into the fire for rejecting him.

Does "true" Christianity include quotes by Jesus? If so, then what happened to judge not? Turn the other cheek? Hate the sin, not the sinner? If people want to "sin" by your standards, then why should it bother you? I don't believe in a god of vengeance and hate. It doesn't make sense, and I can't fathom that concept.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

i thought the genetics of gays was still questionable.
was a 'gay gene' discovered?

Let's put it this way: Would you kiss a guy (assuming you're a dude)? If the answer is no, then you know how a gay person feels about kissing a member of the opposite sex. I got a couple of good friends who are gay, and there's no way in hell they'd go for a member of the opposite sex. Not because they chose to do so, but rather because they're simply not attracted to them.

Also, homosexuality is something that's frequent in nature...so it's not even unnatural.

got ya', just wanted to find out more about your opinion.
i have a gay sister and quite a few gay friends so i do understand your point.
my gay friends understand that i don't even like having them pinch my butt, nor am i comfortable with really open 'gayness' around me.
may sound kinda' strange, but it's the same i feel for many other issues also.
i couldn't care less what people do in the privacy of their own home, yet being in public is a bit different.
before someone hammers me i also don't think heavy petting and french kissing is something that should be done in public by heteros. to each their own if they feel a need, but don't be surprised if i walk away.

Originally posted by Glass

Originally posted by rubbertramp

Originally posted by Glass

Originally posted by charles1952
Hates gays? Homophobia? Wants to see gays in hell? Those are all obviously false The consistent position of the Church is that gays are loved, and it wants to see gays saved from Hell.

Yes, of course. You are absolutely right.

one can find extremism in almost any topic and group.
it's not really that difficult.

This is indeed true. Sometimes I have a hard time restraining my sarcasm in topics such as these.

no worries, just wanted to point that out. and,yes, those westbourogh baptist church type nutjobs are just that, nutjobs, but they do have a right to protest.